Compass new bases after Delta NW Merge?

[Mav204]

Re-read my post...I never said that. I said that they are not PURPOSELY violating the contract. We have a few brand new schedulers that are not very knowledgeable about the contract that you have to watch out for, but once you point out the violation to them, they always make it right, even if it's after you've "flown it and grieved it".

If they PURPOSELY or just violate the contract it is wrong. A scheduler or chief pilot should NEVER ask, "Can you wave the contract to help us out?" because WHEN will they help you out by them waiving the contract? My airline asks this and all do, but this is somthing that should never happen.
I guess that I would have higher expectations from a company and CBA that was signed post 9-11.

 

[WSurf]

Not to bash the NWA pilots and LEC1, but you all might want to start thinking that you need your own union and MEC. The LEC 1 has alot going on, and I don't know how important your issues are compared to theirs.

Yea, I totally agree with that statement. However I do believe you will see a big shake up with what's going on at the new Delta.

I do agree with living on credit on the fact you should know what your getting yourself into when you take a job.

Bottom line is that all regionals have their up and down cycles. Look at Piedmont Airlines... From what I have heard it used to be the place everyone wanted to come to. We have a pretty good contract, but what good is that to some people when there are no upgrades and no new planes are in sight.

Comair & AirWiskey were also great places to go. Now they have furloughs and downgrades. And havent seen growth in awhile.

ConEx, just signed a concessionary agreement.

I think Compass does have something to offer people. We had a few people leave PDT to go there and are now captains on the 175 (even though they would have also been captains at PDT now also) and seem to be very happy. People don't seem to really get mad at there company until growth stops. Once you stop getting planes and upgrades stop then its even more important to have a good working contract that makes FO pay livable.

This industry is a coin toss, you have to be lucky and at the right place at the right time.

So what it really boils down too......... Try and enjoy this crazy profession you have chosen because there are alot of bumps and curves in this career.

Sad thing is..... I would do it all over again so far, I just hope that my love of flying can withstand the abuse of the job.

Good Luck to everyone.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

If they PURPOSELY or just violate the contract it is wrong.

Of course it's wrong, even if it's not on purpose...who said it was right? I only said that they are very willing to make it right when they do make an honest contract violation.

A scheduler or chief pilot should NEVER ask, "Can you wave the contract to help us out?" because WHEN will they help you out by them waiving the contract?

You are correct, but, please tell we what airline you're talking about, because I have not heard of that happening at Compass.

I guess that I would have higher expectations from a company and CBA that was signed post 9-11.

Me too, that's why I came here. So far, besides proposing to my wife, it's been the best decision I've ever made. Me and every single pilot I've EVER talked to here is happy with Compass, despite some contract flaws.

 

[DrewBlows]

If they PURPOSELY or just violate the contract it is wrong. A scheduler or chief pilot should NEVER ask, "Can you wave the contract to help us out?" because WHEN will they help you out by them waiving the contract? My airline asks this and all do, but this is somthing that should never happen.
I guess that I would have higher expectations from a company and CBA that was signed post 9-11.

I guess it's a good thing Compass is not your airline. I have never been asked to violate the contract. Schedulers have made a few mistakes that violated the contract but when I brought it to their attention they quickly fixed the problem and apologized. From my own unscientific poll this is the norm.

Compass isn't a bad place to work. Our contract isn't that bad. I worked under the Comair contract pre-bankruptcy, and it wasn't the utopia some make it out to be. The pay rates were better than most, but the day-to-day work rules weren't the best and the company actively attempted to violate the contract. That doesn't happen at Compass.

In my opinion most regional contracts are about the same. Compass isn't the greatest place to work but I don't think the contract warrents name calling.

If you wanted Southwest you should have gotten hired at Southwest.

 

[Mav204]

Yea, I totally agree with that statement. However I do believe you will see a big shake up with what's going on at the new Delta.

I do agree with living on credit on the fact you should know what your getting yourself into when you take a job.

Bottom line is that all regionals have their up and down cycles. Look at Piedmont Airlines... From what I have heard it used to be the place everyone wanted to come to. We have a pretty good contract, but what good is that to some people when there are no upgrades and no new planes are in sight.

Comair & AirWiskey were also great places to go. Now they have furloughs and downgrades. And havent seen growth in awhile.

ConEx, just signed a concessionary agreement.

I think Compass does have something to offer people. We had a few people leave PDT to go there and are now captains on the 175 (even though they would have also been captains at PDT now also) and seem to be very happy. People don't seem to really get mad at there company until growth stops. Once you stop getting planes and upgrades stop then its even more important to have a good working contract that makes FO pay livable.

This industry is a coin toss, you have to be lucky and at the right place at the right time.

So what it really boils down too......... Try and enjoy this crazy profession you have chosen because there are alot of bumps and curves in this career.

Sad thing is..... I would do it all over again so far, I just hope that my love of flying can withstand the abuse of the job.

Good Luck to everyone.

PDT/AWAC/Comair/EXJ/MidWest WERE great places to work with good pay rates and work rules, now Republic/Compass/Mesa are undercutting us, taking the jobs, and people are going over there to "Get that upgrade".
When these companies are taking jobs like RAH with Midwest, what do have to look forward to when we upgrade, to fly that RJ 170 forever!
Regionals/commuter airlines should not be flying large aircraft for low pay.
Lets just look at PDT and Compass; first year pay at PDT for a FO on a 37 and 50 seat TurboProp is $25/hr, Compass is $24 to fly a 69 seat JET! That is NOT good!
It is all known that the ERJ 175 is taking over routes that the DC-9's flew!

 

[DrewBlows]

PDT/AWAC/Comair/EXJ/MidWest WERE great places to work with good pay rates and work rules, now Republic/Compass/Mesa are undercutting us, taking the jobs, and people are going over there to "Get that upgrade".
When these companies are taking jobs like RAH with Midwest, what do have to look forward to when we upgrade, to fly that RJ 170 forever!
Regionals/commuter airlines should not be flying large aircraft for low pay.
Lets just look at PDT and Compass; first year pay at PDT for a FO on a 37 and 50 seat TurboProp is $25/hr, Compass is $24 to fly a 69 seat JET! That is NOT good!
It is all known that the ERJ 175 is taking over routes that the DC-9's flew!

What do you suggest the pilots do about it?

 

[Mav204]

What do you suggest the pilots do about it?

Well the easy answer is just say "NO", but that is easier said than done.
Start when the CBA are up, and get back what we need and gave up in hard times. One thing I am going to be asking for is training pay, If I need to be in the sim for 1 hr briefing, 4 hrs in the sim and 1 hr debrief, that is 6 hrs of pay NOT 3 hrs. No Blended rates on RJ's. More restrictions on Furlowed pilots. we can't stop a company form furlowing, but those pilots get a severance package, accrue longevity for pay!
That is just the start.

SoiuxHockeyFan and I are just trying to rally all pilots from ALL airlines to get on one level playing field and make sure that we all have jobs for the future. If we continue seeing the RAH pilots walking around with "The EJet-The Guppy Killer" stickers on their flight bags, they need to be educated on what they are doing to the industry. Get that one year upgrade on a ERJ170 and then retire there on that plane because you have allowed your company to undercut the major airlines!

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

A scheduler or chief pilot should NEVER ask, "Can you wave the contract to help us out?" because WHEN will they help you out by them waiving the contract?

I'm still waiting for you to explain this statement. This is not happening at Compass...or were you talking about a different airline?

Please respond.

 

[Mav204]

I'm still waiting for you to explain this statement. This is not happening at Compass...or were you talking about a different airline?

Please respond.

Calm down, sorry that I did not get to answer your question.
I am NOT at Compost but have a few friends that are there; and yes both have been in situations where they had to do it and grieve it. I am sorry but I am unable to go into details about the events because this is a public forum and their grievances are being processed.
When pilots do NOT read the contract while they are in training they are being used beyond the CBA.

 

[G2T]

Hey Mav, got this from a different thread, maybe you should get your own house in order before you worry so much about everyone else.

Just heard that the DCA pilot manager is quitting and going to greener pastures! Maybe that manager can get a job for the PHL pilot manager and the ARW pilots can start getting respect from base managers instead of the harassment that they receive on a daily basis!
This is a good day, for the pilot group, but I think that this means that the writing is on the wall for the future of AWAC.
The day that you start seeing managers leaving is like watching rats running off a sinking ship.
RIP AWAC

I was there at one time, it's not sunshine and butterfly's anywhere. Each individual airline has it's individual problems. Compass has a very young contract, that's the problem. The pilots haven't had 20+ years to amend and tweak it like other companies.

 

[Mav204]

Hey Mav, got this from a different thread, maybe you should get your own house in order before you worry so much about everyone else.



I was there at one time, it's not sunshine and butterfly's anywhere. Each individual airline has it's individual problems. Compass has a very young contract, that's the problem. The pilots haven't had 20+ years to amend and tweak it like other companies.

AWAC ALPA is working on getting back to where they used to be with an industry leading CBA and we we do have a long and touch road ahead of us.
I am here to support what SiouxHockeyFan is saying.
I have no intentions to work for Compost, even if it did give me a fast upgrade. I had the ability to go there over a year ago and chose to stay here. Did I give up a guaranteed Captain position, yes, but would rather be paid the correct amount for the size aircraft that I fly.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Calm down, sorry that I did not get to answer your question.
I am NOT at Compost but have a few friends that are there; and yes both have been in situations where they had to do it and grieve it. I am sorry but I am unable to go into details about the events because this is a public forum and their grievances are being processed.
When pilots do NOT read the contract while they are in training they are being used beyond the CBA.

You're dodging the question. We are not talking about violating the contract and then grieving it anymore. That discussion is over with. I am asking for proof of your claim that Compass is openly ASKING FOR PERMISSION to go against the contract to help out the company.

Here's what you wrote...

A scheduler or chief pilot should NEVER ask, "Can you wave the contract to help us out?" because WHEN will they help you out by them waiving the contract?someone to willingly go against the contract.

Are you claiming that Compass is ASKING their employees to go against the contract?

 

[Mav204]

You're dodging the question. We are not talking about violating the contract and then grieving it anymore. That discussion is over with. I am asking for proof of your claim that Compass is openly ASKING FOR PERMISSION to go against the contract to help out the company.

Here's what you wrote...Are you claiming that Compass is ASKING their employees to go against the contract?

Ok.....I do not have that information, but wait for a snow storm or a ops issue and you will see it, I have see it at the last 2 airlines that I have worked for in the past. I am sorry if I mis quotes the potential of Compost Airlines. I would rather be wrong in this situation, but i have a feeling that it will happen. UNless you have listened to EVERY phone call between manager/crew schedulers and pilots then you can NOT answer the question either!

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

UNless you have listened to EVERY phone call between manager/crew schedulers and pilots then you can NOT answer the question either!

YOU are the one who made the allegation that Compass was ASKING their employees to go against the contract, not me. Of course a person would have to listen to every call, but YOU are the one who made the allegation.

Just admit that you're making false accusations on here. I already know you're a fraud who knows nothing other than he got turned down at his Compass interview last year, and is pissed off at the company now. That much is obvious.

Have fun commuting to Philly.

 

[Mav204]

YOU are the one who made the allegation that Compass was ASKING their employees to go against the contract, not me. Of course a person would have to listen to every call, but YOU are the one who made the allegation.

Just admit that you're making false accusations on here. I already know you're a fraud who knows nothing other than he got turned down at his Compass interview last year, and is pissed off at the company now. That much is obvious.

Have fun commuting to Philly.

I have not submitted my paperwork to Compost nor have been interviewed, so your wrong! I just see what this contract does to the industry in regard to pay rates and work rules and brings us down! That is why I am pissed off at the company!
BTW I DO NOT commute to PHL, so you should not make assumptions either!

 

[dojetdriver]

I'm sure they can try SLC for a while.....

just like ASA, Shuttle America, Expressjet.....

After having DAL close all 4 bases between my current job and my previous one flying DelCon, I see what you're saying. But Expressjet never had a base in SLC.

It was a "stand by" base. Anybody that flew it will get the joke.

 

[G2T]

After having DAL close all 4 bases between my current job and my previous one flying DelCon, I see what you're saying. But Expressjet never had a base in SLC.

It was a "stand by" base. Anybody that flew it will get the joke.

Thread hijacker!!!!! Oh wait, nevermind, my bad, this thread was about bases...proceed.

 

[DrewBlows]

I have not submitted my paperwork to Compost nor have been interviewed, so your wrong! I just see what this contract does to the industry in regard to pay rates and work rules and brings us down! That is why I am pissed off at the company!
BTW I DO NOT commute to PHL, so you should not make assumptions either!

You are wrong. The Compass contract is middle of the road. Our Captains make a little less than some carriers who fly similar size equipment (E175 or CRJ900) and a little more than other carriers who fly similar size equipment. Our FO's are the same.

Captains make more per hour than Comair, Mesa, and Skywest but make less per hour than Republic.

Our FOs make more than Mesa and Republic but less than Skywest and Comair. The difference is negligible at every company.

Work rules are a littel harder to quantify. Ours are better than Mesa and Republic, about the same as Comair, and I have no clue about Skywest.

I would like to make $100 an hour flying a 76 passenger airplane but it's not going to happen. Our only hope it that mainline protects all flying they currently have.

 

[Mav204]

You are wrong. The Compass contract is middle of the road. Our Captains make a little less than some carriers who fly similar size equipment (E175 or CRJ900) and a little more than other carriers who fly similar size equipment. Our FO's are the same.

Captains make more per hour than Comair, Mesa, and Skywest but make less per hour than Republic.

Our FOs make more than Mesa and Republic but less than Skywest and Comair. The difference is negligible at every company.

Work rules are a littel harder to quantify. Ours are better than Mesa and Republic, about the same as Comair, and I have no clue about Skywest.

I would like to make $100 an hour flying a 76 passenger airplane but it's not going to happen. Our only hope it that mainline protects all flying they currently have.

Compost FO's first year make LESS than than Piedmont flying Dash 8's.
Why should a CA not make $100 an hour fling a 76 seat RJ?
Airline pilot pay has been stagnant for MANY years, we need a raise! Your opinion on not getting a pay rise is wrong and that attitude will only hurt the industry as a whole!

 

[Monster Buck]

You are wrong. The Compass contract is middle of the road. Our Captains make a little less than some carriers who fly similar size equipment (E175 or CRJ900) and a little more than other carriers who fly similar size equipment. Our FO's are the same.

Captains make more per hour than Comair, Mesa, and Skywest but make less per hour than Republic.

Our FOs make more than Mesa and Republic but less than Skywest and Comair. The difference is negligible at every company.

Work rules are a littel harder to quantify. Ours are better than Mesa and Republic, about the same as Comair, and I have no clue about Skywest.

I would like to make $100 an hour flying a 76 passenger airplane but it's not going to happen. Our only hope it that mainline protects all flying they currently have.

Not really. I know you are looking at pay scales but.....the other commuters that have been around for a long time ....like Comair...don't have 1-3 year captains like Compass. Thier Captains make a good bit more than yours. Pilots look at each other's scales to compare and honestly there is not much more they can do for just straight pay. Management looks at avg years of service for each seat AND pay rates. This is what they care about. Which is why they fight tooth and nail during contracts...we get kind of close to what we want.....the ta barely passes.....then managment walks away laughing. They know that before you get to those nice 12-15 year scales....they will do to you what they are doing to higher payroll cost senoir regionals like Comair. They follow this patern everywhere without exception. Just when you feel that its good income and sched. they tear your airline apart.