Compass new bases after Delta NW Merge?

[BlueRidger]

Hey Sioux,
Be careful with the word Compost. It what the mainline guys will call YOU not our management.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I have JS some on Compass. It seems like ALL the pilots I've met are pretty happy/content.

This makes sense, because Compass is new, so no one is "stuck" there like some other airlines where people went there for "X", and now it has changed to a sh!tty "z". If someone didn't like the way Compass is, they didn't apply or take the job.

I tried to get an interview for street capt, and then didn't interview for FO last year.

I hope for all the best to Compass employees.

cliff
YIP

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

Hey Sioux,
Be careful with the word Compost. It what the mainline guys will call YOU not our management.

I got the term compost from my mainline nwa buddy. I ams sure when I j/s home I will get my fair share of warranted abuse.

 

[mynameisjim]

I got the term compost from my mainline nwa buddy. I ams sure when I j/s home I will get my fair share of warranted abuse.

If mainline guys look down on Compass, it's their fault. They gave away the 76 seaters and their MEC negotiated the contract that Compass operates under.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Apparently, Bendo has resigned, check out Compass points. Anyone know what this is about? Took me off guard.

New president is to be Tim Campbell, former NWA VP of Regional Airline Ops. :erm:

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I got the term compost from my mainline nwa buddy. I ams sure when I j/s home I will get my fair share of warranted abuse.

Well you might find that to be a mixed bag. Some guys have been very friendly, others just very short with me, but never completely rude.

I've heard from some Compass guys that the NWA captains signing their form didn't even know who compass was.

 

[DrewBlows]

Well you might find that to be a mixed bag. Some guys have been very friendly, others just very short with me, but never completely rude.

I've heard from some Compass guys that the NWA captains signing their form didn't even know who compass was.

I've talked to wide-body Captains who didn't know a whole lot about Compass. I think narrow-body guys tend to know a little more. Some guys are more in tune with what goes on at work than others. No big deal.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Probably because they are/were about the only ones hiring at the time. Plus I believe many have gone to Compass based on its potential. Which I believe it has a bunch (based on what Delta will do it could also be sold down the road).

I think Sioux might just feel the sting of being furloughed by his mainline carrier. Plus the fact that his last regional airline had better pay and work rules then Compass does.

Don't jump all over him, many people try and progress there careers and when all the sudden you see it regress it can be a bit frustrating. I think many of us would have this attitude if this happened to us. This career we all have chosen is a big rollercoaster ride and we can only hope the low parts don't last long.

Good Luck to everyone that has chosen this career.

Ummm...are you and Sioux sleeping together?

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

The "regional standard" here at COMPOST is horrible. No trip or duty rigs, min day is way too low, only one day room for the entire crew, but no if there is a crew room, company doesn't pay for the doctor if they make you go when you call in sick, 75 pay for second sick call, 50 pay for third sick call, etc. Who the heck thought it was a good idea to allow the company to make captains fly as copilots?? This is a safety issue that no credible pilot group/union should allow. It also keeps staffing levels lower. This is the type of stuff you see at Mesa. Previous regionals I have flown for had much better contracts. It is just sad to see such weak pay and work rules negotiated outside of bankruptcy or financial burden. How can we all be happy with this disgusting way of life we have created? It is embarassing to tell a captain while jumpseating I work for Compass. Usually followed by how much are you guys making to fly that thing? Maybe one day pilots will figure out how to make money instead of giving it all to the company.

You do realize how much of a moron you look like complaining about a contract you had full access to BEFORE you took the job...don't you?

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

You do realize how much of a moron you look like complaining about a contract you had full access to BEFORE you took the job...don't you?

Where was I going to get access to the contract from? Even if there was a way why shouldn't I take the job to pay my bills and then try to fix the problem when I am here. So.........since you aren't complaining you are happy with the contract? Thats crazy! Why don't guys complain more? Why is everyone upset at me complaining? It is sad to see pilots jump on pilots versus complaining about how crappy a company is. So much for solidarity amongst pilots.

 

[DashTrash400]

I can tell you all exactly how we could fix the contract before 2013: Taxi *everywhere* at 2mph. Don't drop the brake early for on-time. Don't carry writeups to a base. That's exactly what NWA guys did and got their 150% pay beyond 80 hour back LONG before their BK contract was amendable. It would, however, have to be a grassroots effort with no union involvement, and the vast majority of the pilots would have to be on board. Right now I don't think enough pilots are pi$$ed off enough for it to happen, but give JK time. He's so good at pi$$ing off pilots that I'm starting to think he's an ALPA plant.

 

[GOULET!]

Anybody else find Bendo leaving Compass to going over to be Comair's new President a little interesting? Anybody have any backround on what the new Prez Tim Campbell is like?

 

[DYLIN]

I can tell you all exactly how we could fix the contract before 2013: Taxi *everywhere* at 2mph. Don't drop the brake early for on-time. Don't carry writeups to a base. That's exactly what NWA guys did and got their 150% pay beyond 80 hour back LONG before their BK contract was amendable. It would, however, have to be a grassroots effort with no union involvement, and the vast majority of the pilots would have to be on board. Right now I don't think enough pilots are pi$$ed off enough for it to happen, but give JK time. He's so good at pi$$ing off pilots that I'm starting to think he's an ALPA plant.

Need to start having the whole pilot group off probation (90% will be in second year nine months from now) and then I think 100% will be in favor of such actions.

 

[Ned Foreclaw]

I can tell you all exactly how we could fix the contract before 2013: Taxi *everywhere* at 2mph. Don't drop the brake early for on-time. Don't carry writeups to a base. That's exactly what NWA guys did and got their 150% pay beyond 80 hour back LONG before their BK contract was amendable. It would, however, have to be a grassroots effort with no union involvement, and the vast majority of the pilots would have to be on board. Right now I don't think enough pilots are pi$$ed off enough for it to happen, but give JK time. He's so good at pi$$ing off pilots that I'm starting to think he's an ALPA plant.

Then, watch your flying get transferred!

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Where was I going to get access to the contract from?

All you have to do is ask any Compass pilot on here, and most would be happy to send you a .PDF of it. I've done it 2 or 3 times now for people on here.

Even if there was a way why shouldn't I take the job to pay my bills and then try to fix the problem when I am here.

How are you going to fix the problems you talked about?...everything you complain about is in stone in the contract. All you'll accomplish here is making CA's like me miserable on a 4-day with your constant complaining.

So.........since you aren't complaining you are happy with the contract?

Mostly happy with it...it's better than where I came from. At least they don't purposely violate it all the time like my last airline. Yes, there certainly are bad spots, but it's NOWHERE NEAR terrible.

Why don't guys complain more?

Because the rest of us were smart enough to do our homework before we came here. We knew the bad spots and big risks, so we don't cry like a little baby after we get hired. Also, everyone is treated with respect here which makes people not complain. Yes, there are a instances where someone higher up ticked off someone at the pilot level, but I've been here over a year and most everyone I talk to is very happy, so they don't complain.

Why is everyone upset at me complaining?

Because nobody on this earth likes a chronic complainer. If you want to post some details of the contract, and make your point about the bad parts, that's fine. It will inform others who are thinking about coming here, and let them make an informed decision, which is good. But, when all you do is b**ch like a 10 year old school girl, it makes you look foolish, especially since you haven't even made it to the line yet.

 

[WSurf]

Ummm...are you and Sioux sleeping together?

Jealous are we?

I can only imagine where you worked before Compass.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Jealous are we?

Nope...just find it unusual that you're the ONLY one sticking up for him. I don't understand how you can stick up for someone who calls their own airline "Compost", when they haven't flown a single flight for them. HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT BEFORE HE ACCEPTED THE JOB!! On top of that, besides training, it is not bad here at all, including the contract. It could be a lot worse.

You mentioned that he has the right to vent his frustrations on a public board, and you're 100% correct. But, besides training(which we all know is a huge joke at CAE) he's venting about things that were on paper and agreed on over a year before he started here.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

With regard to the leadership change though, I think the interesting question is now... Does it really have to do more with us (compass) or Comair?

*Connery Voice* "The game is afoot!"

 

[Mav204]

Nope...just find it unusual that you're the ONLY one sticking up for him. I don't understand how you can stick up for someone who calls their own airline "Compost", when they haven't flown a single flight for them. HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT BEFORE HE ACCEPTED THE JOB!! On top of that, besides training, it is not bad here at all, including the contract. It could be a lot worse.

You mentioned that he has the right to vent his frustrations on a public board, and you're 100% correct. But, besides training(which we all know is a huge joke at CAE) he's venting about things that were on paper and agreed on over a year before he started here.

SiouxHockeyFan is only trying to get you all to realize that your contract sucks. just because a few of you might live in MSP and don't have to commute, does that meanthat you are willing to have a bad contract?
People have to pay the bills, and I recommend that some people don't take that job at Compost! With the price of a new uniform, crash pad, and QOL that has now been TRASHED commuting to MSP/DTW/MEN, you can drive a UPS truck and make the same amount of money!
SiouxHockeyFan has a good ALPA resume with Chairman and committee status, so he know what is in a contract how the loopholes that the company will do to get their way.

liv'n_on_credit, you clearly don't know anything about contract s and a small important thing called LOA's! You also quoted that the company is not violating the contract, I have a friend that is there and he has been violated a few times, and the great quote from EVERY Chief Pilot: "Do it and Grieve it!"
You also said that SiouxHockeyFan would make you miserable on a 4-day trip; I think that after you fly with him, you will be educated on the contract so much that you would realize that you don't know ******************** that you are talking about! I recommend that you read the contract, have working knowledge of it and then see how much the company does violate it!

SiouxHockeyFan, thanks for your trying to make Compost a better airline, and it will be a long hard road that you will be traversing to get this piot group to realize that they need a better contract!

I understand that ALL pilots that are at Compass Airlines did NOT sign this contract, nor did they have any say in this contract. This means that you have a long road ahead to get a better contract.
Not to bash the NWA pilots and LEC1, but you all might want to start thinking that you need your own union and MEC. The LEC 1 has alot going on, and I don't know how important your issues are compared to theirs.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

SiouxHockeyFan has a good ALPA resume with Chairman and committee status, so he know what is in a contract how.

Well then, with those qualifications, he should have known to look at the Compass contract BEFORE he took the job...not take the job, and THEN complain. If he wants to make things better here, that's fine. But calling this place names and acting like a whining brat do not help makes things better. Volunteer on an ALPA committee...that will do more good than complaining.

You also quoted that the company is not violating the contract.

Re-read my post...I never said that. I said that they are not PURPOSELY violating the contract. We have a few brand new schedulers that are not very knowledgeable about the contract that you have to watch out for, but once you point out the violation to them, they always make it right, even if it's after you've "flown it and grieved it".

You also said that SiouxHockeyFan would make you miserable on a 4-day trip; I think that after you fly with him, you will be educated on the contract so much that you would realize that you don't know ******************** that you are talking about! I recommend that you read the contract, have working knowledge of it and then see how much the company does violate it!

I know the contract inside and out...and am smart enough to read it BEFORE I accept the job, unlike some people. I would love to fly with someone on a 4-day trip who is intelligent enough to MATURELY discuss our contract, and it's flaws...but NOT someone who just complains and complains about it...and then calls OUR company names. Only a fool would accept a job, then start trashing it and calling it names before even working a single day on the line.

SiouxHockeyFan, thanks for your trying to make Compost a better airline, and it will be a long hard road that you will be traversing to get this piot group to realize that they need a better contract!

But you see...he's NOT making the company better. Like I said before, there's nothing wrong at all with going on a public message board and pointing out the bad parts of a contract for people to see, IN A RESPECTABLE MANNER. Talking about it, and telling everyone where we need to improve the contract is all fine, but when you resort to calling us names like a child, that's where SIOUX and YOU lose all credibility.