Comair pilots almost took wrong plane

[embpic1]

CNN is now reporting that the Comair pilots were on the wrong plane initially and a ramper caught it and informed them of their mistake.

Why is the media reporting this crap. To the average passenger this would sound like the pilots are not too bright. We however, know this happens occasionally and is no big deal. I have done it myself. This is especially true when dispatch does a tail swap at the last minute.

Pisses me off...

 

[wmuflyguy]

I have asked the gate agent before which airplane is going to <insert city here>. Then after pre-flighting it and getting it ready, you get the release and notice that it isn't the right tail number.

I can see why it may be relevant to the investigation and chain of events, but must likely it is not.

 

[ReportCanoa]

It certainly might put them in a rush, however.

 

[embpic1]

It certainly might put them in a rush, however.

True...

My point is that this is relevant to the investigation. I just don’t think CNN needs to be reporting it, giving the false impression of incompetence.

 

[Piper877]

True...

My point is that this is relevant to the investigation. I just don’t think CNN needs to be reporting it, giving the false impression of incompetence.

I would agree. Even if they stated that it happens all the time with dispatch switching your aircraft or whatever can cause that, it still makes it sound like they didn't know what they were doing. Which is probably what CNN wants so more people tune in to see what they discover next to sensationalize common everyday things in aviation.

 

[747flyboy]

It certainly might put them in a rush, however.

Rushing just firms up the "Pliot Error" issue that much more, you never rush for anyone or for any reason. Better to be late than to kill 49 people.

 

[747flyboy]

True...

My point is that this is relevant to the investigation. I just don’t think CNN needs to be reporting it, giving the false impression of incompetence.

Rushing for anyone or any reason proves "incompetentcy". No false impression at all.

 

[kevdog]

I would agree. Even if they stated that it happens all the time with dispatch switching your aircraft or whatever can cause that, it still makes it sound like they didn't know what they were doing. Which is probably what CNN wants so more people tune in to see what they discover next to sensationalize common everyday things in aviation.

The pilots didn't follow the 10-9, didn't realize they turned onto the wrong runway, didn't notice the wrong runway numbers, didn't notice the wrong runway markings, didn't notice there wasn't any runway lighting, and killed a bunch of passengers. Must not have been their day if they knew what they were doing.

 

[MELIT]

True...

My point is that this is relevant to the investigation. I just don’t think CNN needs to be reporting it, giving the false impression of incompetence.

Why are you reporting it on FI?:smash:

 

[ArcticFlier]

Hope you guys never make a mistake.....................................


AF

 

[ReportCanoa]

Rushing just firms up the "Pliot Error" issue that much more, you never rush for anyone or for any reason. Better to be late than to kill 49 people.

Agreed, but again, you lack the credibility of someone with experience at the airlines. In an ideal world....

 

[Coexclown]

Yea, but comair pilots may feel threatened to rush so they may keep their flying from being taken away from a lower bidder....

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I'm done with CNN, Fox News, and the likes. I'm getting my news from PBS from now on. This is ridiculous.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The pilots didn't follow the 10-9, didn't realize they turned onto the wrong runway, didn't notice the wrong runway numbers, didn't notice the wrong runway markings, didn't notice there wasn't any runway lighting, and killed a bunch of passengers. Must not have been their day if they knew what they were doing.

[SIZE=-1]31 October 1979; Western Airlines DC10-10; Mexico City, Mexico: The crew inadvertently landed on a closed runway parallel to the active runway. The aircraft struck a large vehicle and crashed. 63 of the 77 passengers and 9 of the 11 crew were killed.

Some DC-10 drivers don't have their days either.
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[atrdriver]

The pilots didn't follow the 10-9, didn't realize they turned onto the wrong runway, didn't notice the wrong runway numbers, didn't notice the wrong runway markings, didn't notice there wasn't any runway lighting, and killed a bunch of passengers. Must not have been their day if they knew what they were doing.

Hey genius boy...The 10-9 page that they had was NOT UPDATED for the new taxiways. Jepp had not released an updated page. So shouting out on here that they didn't follow their 10-9 page just makes you look like an idiot. Could they have caught their mistake? Probably, but it wouldn't have been from looking at their airport diagram.

 

[747flyboy]

Agreed, but again, you lack the credibility of someone with experience at the airlines. In an ideal world....

What does it matter where you flew? I've flown different aircraft all over the world for the past 10 years, including 2 years of Part 121 on the 747. My experience is not only from flying, its from being smart and laying down rules that won't be broken for anyone or anything.

Are you saying that in the commercial airlines its OK to rush? If so, I sure hope you're not a captain yet. If you are a captain I sure hope you have co-pilots with some balls that'll tell you to slow down or they won't be operating the aircraft with you.

 

[wmuflyguy]

It certainly might put them in a rush, however.

Definately, that was the point I was elluding to.

 

[747flyboy]

The pilots didn't follow the 10-9, didn't realize they turned onto the wrong runway, didn't notice the wrong runway numbers, didn't notice the wrong runway markings, didn't notice there wasn't any runway lighting, and killed a bunch of passengers. Must not have been their day if they knew what they were doing.

dang Kev, I actually agree with you on something. Forget the dang 10-9, they messed up so many basic things which led to this accident. Pilot error....100%.

 

[ReportCanoa]

You're a real class act, flyboy. And your signature tells all. And by the way, jerkoff, I am a Captain, so watch out!

 

[MELIT]

Yea, but comair pilots may feel threatened to rush so they may keep their flying from being taken away from a lower bidder....

Yer stupid

 

[kevdog]

[SIZE=-1]31 October 1979; Western Airlines DC10-10; Mexico City, Mexico: The crew inadvertently landed on a closed runway parallel to the active runway. The aircraft struck a large vehicle and crashed. 63 of the 77 passengers and 9 of the 11 crew were killed.

Some DC-10 drivers don't have their days either.
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Ever flown into Mexico City?

 

[747flyboy]

You're a real class act, flyboy. And your signature tells all. And by the way, jerkoff, I am a Captain, so watch out!

Well, you make it sound like in the airlines you have to rush sometimes....you're just another accident waiting to happen.

Yeah, I was afraid you were a captain, god help us.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Ever flown into Mexico City?

Is it nice?

 

[kevdog]

Hey genius boy...The 10-9 page that they had was NOT UPDATED for the new taxiways. Jepp had not released an updated page. So shouting out on here that they didn't follow their 10-9 page just makes you look like an idiot. Could they have caught their mistake? Probably, but it wouldn't have been from looking at their airport diagram.

I didn't realize this airport was like DFW. Have you ever flown for an airline that didn't spoon feed you everything? Have you ever flown to Central or South America?

 

[ReportCanoa]

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[PCL_128]

Guys, just ignore this flamebait from Kevdog. He has been banned once or twice before because of some outrageous remarks. It's a shame that someone let him out of the penalty box.

 

[kevdog]

No, but plenty of destinations within Mexico. Is it nice?

It's a very difficult approach if you aren't familiar with it. You can't see the airport (due to a mountain blocking your view) until you turn almost 80 degrees after a NDB to final about 4-5 miles out. Your groundspeed is about 25% faster than normal due to the high altitude. One of the runways is usually closed for MX.

1979 was a great time for CRM. Are you saying that DC10 crash wasn't pilot error and maybe the Spanish speaking controller could have saved the day if they notified the plane they were lined up for the wrong runway in broken English?

 

[kevdog]

Guys, just ignore this flamebait from Kevdog. He has been banned once or twice before because of some outrageous remarks. It's a shame that someone let him out of the penalty box.

Actually, I was banned once for talking about my relationship with Jesus.

Do we as pilots make mistakes? Of course! We aren't perfect and we do a risky job. I just have to think this mistake is comparable to the "I've never been this high, dude" crash a few years ago.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why don't you kids grow up and knock it off?

 

[ReportCanoa]

nevermind...