CoEx to keep the 69 erj's

[The Drizzle]

Not 100% sure but, DCI birds all have them, United Ex have them, AA has one or two(I think) US dosen't have any.

there are 2 or 3 on the USAirways side that have airstairs

 

[Paul R. Smith]

When your Flyi like operation folds in less then a year, we'll be happy to take those ERJs of your hands. At lesser rates! And this will be on top of the 170 growth with Coex. Things look bright for RAH!

Even though your avatar is purely malicious in spirit, I actually think its pretty funny.

Its too bad your such a troll.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

Some of you numbnuts that are trying to point out anything you can and spin it negetive need to relax. The chief pilots came in and talked to us today and said that the planes are being placed into service where all XJET employees will be working with them. Not just pilots but MX, MGMT, Agents, etc. ...

The difference between XJT and alot of other companies is that the Company tries to make sure that we work as a team and have respect for each other.

Think about it, MGMT could have easily come to us and asked for pay cuts to better compete for the CAL flying. They never asked for 1 cent from us. We have a good company over here that the majority of people i would assume would agree that they are proud to be an XJETer. For this level of the career chain its a good place to work.

It sounds very nice and sweet, my friend, but remember you live in the world of capitalism where everyone competes with each other. You're nice with employees and the next you know your company is bankrupt. Look at what happened to Independance. MGMT ALWAYS thinks what's nice to the airline!

I am sure you're proud to be an XJ dude, but do you think that they would've kept you on payroll just because you're a nice guy and everyone liked you? Employees are like parts in a big moving machine and if parts can be found cheaper (e.g. outsourcing things to Asia), then that's what MGMT will do. It doesn't matter how many years you've worked for them or how much you love the company etc...

Conclusion:
The MGMT can keep the airplanes and give uplifting speaches (and that's what they will always do no matter how bad the situation is to prevent panic) but unless they start flying them COMPETITIVELY things will NOT get better.

FC

 

[Paul R. Smith]

XJ = Mesaba

XJT = Expressjet

 

[Weasil]

Well I for one am amazed they made this announcement so early. Noone can accuse the airline business of not being interesting.

 

[flyingtoilet]

It sounds very nice and sweet, my friend, but remember you live in the world of capitalism where everyone competes with each other. You're nice with employees and the next you know your company is bankrupt. Look at what happened to Independance. MGMT ALWAYS thinks what's nice to the airline!

Wrong. Taking care of your employees is rule #1 if you want to survive and have employee loyalty. I managed a customer service department for a marketing company for 3 years and if you wanted peak performance from your subordinates, you damned well had better taken care of them. Last time I checked, most employees at SWA are pretty happy because they have a fairly good relationship with management. I don't see SWA in trouble...

 

[Kip Dynomite]

It sounds very nice and sweet, my friend, but remember you live in the world of capitalism where everyone competes with each other. You're nice with employees and the next you know your company is bankrupt. Look at what happened to Independance. MGMT ALWAYS thinks what's nice to the airline!

I am sure you're proud to be an XJ dude, but do you think that they would've kept you on payroll just because you're a nice guy and everyone liked you? Employees are like parts in a big moving machine and if parts can be found cheaper (e.g. outsourcing things to Asia), then that's what MGMT will do. It doesn't matter how many years you've worked for them or how much you love the company etc...

Conclusion:
The MGMT can keep the airplanes and give uplifting speaches (and that's what they will always do no matter how bad the situation is to prevent panic) but unless they start flying them COMPETITIVELY things will NOT get better.

FC

Hmmm...You've got it all figured out. Today's companies spend millions of dollars creating HR departments. They've learned from corporate history, an important key to having a successful lasting company is friendly employee management relations. Bad employee management relations can bring an otherwise successful company to its knees. Airlines are largely dependent on employee performance, the good ones have learned this. The ones who still have the (outsourcing to asia) mentality will crumble. Expressjet is a regional who gets it, flying competitely INCLUDES treating your employees honestly and with respect. I think we're still hiring, so send in an application. Maybe you'll get a job and see the light. At the regional level, it's a great job.

 

[flatspin7]

I ditto that..XJT is a probably the best place to work in the regional Industry... I have been in vans with crews from just about every regional airline and you hear stories of management and crew sched that boggle the mind. Granted I am now at CAL and XJT cant hold a stick to a major airline but if I had it to do all over again I would work there again in a second.

 

[punkpilot48]

Taking care of your employees is rule #1 if you want to survive and have employee loyalty.

How the hell has uncle hulie and JO been makin money for all this time?

 

[LegacyDriver]

I thought all of CHQ's AAC airplanes were 140s. None of the 15 140s have airstairs. When did CHQ get 145s in KSTL?

 

[PseudoName]

There is a reason XJT purchased a controlling interest in Wing Aviation. Mgmt would like to eventually sell block time for all 69 aircraft in a charter environment. Initially XJT went looked to outside consultants to provide insight on how this could be accomplished, but did not like what they heard from individuals who are very familiar with charter ops/block time sales, etc. So, XJT mgmt has decided they they know more than the people who actually make money from charter sales/logistics (ie. EJM/NJA, Sentient, Marquis Jet).

XJT mgmt believes they can market and be successful in running a charter operation that sells block hours to current G-IV/V customers....mostly because of the large baggage compartment of the Embraer. They can sell time in this airplane to sports teams, that require large baggage...but run it an hourly cost that exceeds comparable airplanes. That's it in a nutshell. Not much more meat to the plan.

You think I am kidding? I couldn't make this up if I tried!

 

[flyingtoilet]

How the hell has uncle hulie and JO been makin money for all this time?

On the backs of their employees - which worked pre 9/11 when you wouldn't expect to be at a regional for more than a few years. Times have changed now and for many the regional level might be the final stop on the career path.

Smart companies like XJT realize they need their employees for the long haul because of less attrition - particularly in a very volitale time in the industry. If the pilots at Mesa and Go Jet had any foresight at all, they would realize that they are making the bed they're going to sleep in.

If treating employees well doesn't matter, then why would most pilots on this board go most anywhere else than Mesa? If you treat you're employees like crap when times are good, you'll survive. But when you really need them, they won't be there. XJT pilots and management for the most part have a good relationship. And because management has kept us informed, didn't ask for pay cuts, etc. our pilots will do the things to make sure that we suceed (fuel savings, maxing revenue, striving to be on-time).

Let's see how XJT looks in a few years. If we're successful, it will have been because the employees and management worked hand-in-hand to make it happen. How would Mesa or TSA perform if they were in XJT's shoes?

 

[ATRCA]

Yes, we established that on page four. Welcome to last week.

Sorry, could'nt help it, I was at work where some junior dude like yourself was getting my coffee and the gear.

 

[beechcowboy]

Not to rock the boat or anything, but what would happen if COEX managment decides to just park the airplanes? ya know, if we can't have them nobody will kinda thing.

This would be fiscally irresponsible to the share holders. It would never happen... Jim is cocky, but he wouldn't do something that stupid. Imagine the cost!

 

[beechcowboy]

I believe the reason for the early announcement was two fold... #1 CAL is still our partner, and a business run with spite and vengeance, will not be a successful business. I think it was intelligent on the part of XJT to give adequate notice to CAL, reinforcing the fact that we seek a positive relationship with our mainline partner(s). #2, this gives XJT the ability to be more open with other carriers, etc. of our intentions. Several of you have been negative from the start of all of this. Alchemy, it doesn't surprise me that you would make more negative comments on this board... you have never once spoken positively. You are a glass 1/2 empty personality, and if you have so little faith in your company, why don't you leave?

Mgmt has been very up front with us as this whole situation has unfolded. What gives anyone reason to believe they are out to get us? They cannot divulge their plans until the appropriate time. I am sure this is not a conspiracy against us. I think we will all see what we have wanted for sometime... diversity and growth for our company. As far as Europe, Jim discounted that rumor in February. He said it was too expensive and not the right market. Larger a/c in Europe, definitely more plausible. This wil not be an all "charter" operation. I think it was inferred the other night that we will have a new codeshare in addition to some brand flying and some 121 supplemental. Change isn't always comfortable, but sometimes, it can be extremely rewarding. By the way, it didn't hurt us that our company represented itself very well on CNN last week. Well done, crew of 3161, you did us all proud here at XJT. Maybe, just maybe instead of bashing XJT, others could look to XJT as an example of a well run airline. Too often, we look to the top performers and try to break them down to our level. Well, I think we, here at XJT have ridden out this initial change very well. Look at our performance stats... they have actually gotten better.