COEX losing 69 Aircraft

[bugchaser]

I don't know where some of you are getting some of your figures but second year pay can be much better than 25k. I fully expect to make 40-45k in my second year at ExpressJet. It can be done if you are willing to work.

 

[suupah]

Everyone always references the $20,000 a year figure, yet it is only for the first couple of years. With per diem and hrs. beyondtha tguaranteed, you do much much better.

After upgrading and flying for a few more years, the pay does go up.

you make things sound so bleak, why ot leave the profession. Hopefully things will get better but asthey stand now, theyre not. Im still gonna get involved. Those who are there can complain, but they still work that job. Theres plenty of opportunites out there to make more at soemthing else. But they stay anyway.

Point is, 70=80 /yr is not so bad flying 80+ hrs a month.

Either he is part of management or he just thinks that we are all idiots. because if he actuallyunderstood what goes into being a line pilot he would not say this ignorant sh1t.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Start stackin resignation letters effective feb 1st.

If management can cancel a contract whenever they want why cant a pilot group start forcefull negotions for a new one anytime they feel like it.

Management can not cancel a contract whenever they want.

-Neal

 

[BlackPilot628]

I don't know where some of you are getting some of your figures but second year pay can be much better than 25k. I fully expect to make 40-45k in my second year at ExpressJet. It can be done if you are willing to work.

This is true if you want to work your butt off. Sometimes you need to do that to help with X-mas gifts and so on. I'm myself worked by butt off the last 3 months so I could buy everyone gifts this year. I did very well in the last 3 months.

 

[say again]

Im neither drunk nor trying to stir anything up. It wasntmeant to be funny or unprofessional. Yeah, like ppl around here are sooo professional.

Evryone is always talking about how crappy their pay is. They all announce it loud and clear and how terrible it is. Why not chastize them.

I AM willing to make low wages for a few years in order to top out at 60-70K/yr. Maybe by then it'll be closer to 80K.

The point being, 70 or 80 a yr, is not so awful. I work more than twice as many hours a year (55 hr. weeks) to make that kind of money now, sitting in front of a cpu. If I can work half the time and be flying, well, it doesnt seem so bad to me. You dont have to agree. But if you compklain than quit the job. What can I say.

Stay with a regional and top your pay out. If youre lucky, go on to a major.

But I know what the rules and pays are outthere, and Im willing to accept the low startign wages to eventually make high 5 figures.

Im not a spoiled brat, and I paid every cent for my ratings.

So young, stupid, and very naive. It's people like you that are willing to work for peanuts that ruin it for the rest of us. I wasn't happy making 40-45 grand for years to come, it sux. And the comment you said about only working 75-80 hrs a month is bull$hit. That is all you get paid. You get paid block time, not the time that you are on duty, which usually is considerably longer. You could fly 6 hrs a day (paid) and be on duty for 14, which leaves 8 hrs of wasted time (unpaid). This job is not as glamorous as it seems. I think you should do some research and get the facts before you start posting, so you don't make yourself look like a complete fool. Oh yeah, don't give me this, "if you are so unhappy than quit" BS either. Aviation is a career unlike others. You just can't quit your job and find something of equal or more pay, usually you are going to take another drastic pay cut. Again, inform yourself before posting.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

So young, stupid, and very naive. It's people like you that are willing to work for peanuts that ruin it for the rest of us. ....................
Aviation is a career unlike others. You just can't quit your job and find something of equal or more pay, usually you are going to take another drastic pay cut. Again, inform yourself before posting.

Are you telling me to not take a job for 22K a year? should I wait until the job pays 50K to start? Is that what you honestly think will happen? IT NEVER WILL. Those are the dynamics of the industry.

What is your point?

Im hurting the industry because I want to get a job flying at a regional? Isnt this what you did when you signed up? You accepted the pay and still work the job.

So dont criticize me. Youre just being a hypocrite. Its people like you who are STILL working for peanuts. Why not do something about it instead of passing the buck to someone who wants to work too.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Either he is part of management or he just thinks that we are all idiots. because if he actuallyunderstood what goes into being a line pilot he would not say this ignorant sh1t.

nice post, but it is you who kind of sounds ignorant. I bet you were a C student at best.

 

[XJETDriver]

DNKT quit blaming your problems on everyone else. Its pathetic and you just make yourself look stupid. Go laugh at the Mesa pilots who pick up the flying... attitudes like this are not going to help you. Why should a Mesa, Republic, Trans States etc employee feel any need to help you secure your job when you act this way? Besides, you chose to work there... Keep up that attitude and you can expect nothing more than employees of those companies to LAUGH out loud at you with your XJT badge as you make your way toward the unemployment line.

No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico. I will also laugh at any Mesa pilot that trys to jumpseat on my a/c.

 

[XJETDriver]

69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico.

LOL...that is GREAT!!

 

[spacecadet1]

No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico. I will also laugh at any Mesa pilot that trys to jumpseat on my a/c.

Now, now, be nice. If you let them jumpseat, and are nice to them, they just might write you a letter of recommendation at Mesa. Or better yet, personally deliver it to J.O. You would probably do quite well in the E-145 training.

 

[PacoPollo]

Dont worry guys. Its just a cycle.

 

[AirBill]

69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico.

LOL..that is GREAT!!

Oh yeah, that is f*cking funny! F*CKING HORSESH!T!!!

Anyone here who thinks that's funny should have their nuts sliced off and jamed up their cornhole. That is BULLSH!T!!!

You make a comment like that, sounds like you WANT it to happen. F*ck you, and f*ck all of you who thought it was funny. You'll think it's funny if it really happens? You people ought to have your f*cking heads examined. Or smashed in, I can't decide which.

I have friends who work for Mesa, and I have friends who work for CoEx, and both are some of the greatest people you'll ever know. Better than most here, for sure. I call bullsh!t on taking away 69 airplanes from a good pilot group. But I call horsesh!t on little f*ckers who sound like they HOPE some poor bastard will lose their life and the lives of 50 others just so they can prove a point in their sick, twisted pathetic little lives.

And don't say that's not what you meant. Doesn't matter. Read your posts again, you f*cking morons.

 

[say again]

Are you telling me to not take a job for 22K a year? should I wait until the job pays 50K to start? Is that what you honestly think will happen? IT NEVER WILL. Those are the dynamics of the industry.

What is your point?

Im hurting the industry because I want to get a job flying at a regional? Isnt this what you did when you signed up? You accepted the pay and still work the job.

So dont criticize me. Youre just being a hypocrite. Its people like you who are STILL working for peanuts. Why not do something about it instead of passing the buck to someone who wants to work too.

Re-read my first post!!!!! Actually re-read everyone else's posts. I'm not the only one who feels as I do!!!

BTW- I am no longer working for peanuts, so your hypocrite statement can be thrown out the window. I got out of the regionals and now have a decent paying job. I won't be making 40K for years to come, it's much more.

I never said for you not to take any job. Do as you wish, I really could give a rats a$$ what you do!!!!

 

[CALnTX]

Correct, CHQ is not in the market to bid on any add'l 145 flying. We are getting out of that market, and subsequently have bypassed opportunities to bid on droves of flying i.e. united Air Willy, etc. Our CEO said "No."

CHQ won't have a single 145 two years from now.

No but CAL will own 69 of them that CHQ is making an offer to fly. CAL does not want MESA and neither do the high paying frequent flyers I'm told. JO is not regarded highly around here. However it is all a year a way so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

 

[pianoman]

I don't hate Mesa pilots. Those that chose to go to Freedom (first incarnation) are idiots. Those guys forced the rest of them to vote in a substandard TA to get back flying at the alter-ego.

I AM expecting more on their next contract, though. When's it up for renegotiation?

 

[rogerdoger]

hmm i wonder if this means skywest?

 

[rogerdoger]

hmm

I wonder if this means room for skywest

 

[BluDevAv8r]

No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico. I will also laugh at any Mesa pilot that trys to jumpseat on my a/c.

Jumpseat wars get us nowhere fast...and if you really would laugh if 3 crew members and 50 passengers die in a plane crash (from whatever airline), then shame on you.

Lastly, do you really think that we are the only ones who can safely fly in Mexico? And if I remember correctly...we came very close to balling one up in SLW several years back.

-Neal

 

[updraft]

I have an Interview on Jan11 wonder if that's going to go?

 

[Superpilot92]

it should still happen. the company put out a email stating all current plans of training and upgrades will continue as nothing has happened or will happen for at least a year. Who knows what this year will have to offer. If you dont have another job and you get offered one here just make sure over the next year you have a backup plan just incase the worst does happen. At least you will have some 121 time under yourbelt and that will make you more marketable. Who knows what will happen for sure, i am sure our managment doesnt intend to sit on its hands and watch the company burn down. Good luck

 

[updraft]

That's good to hear.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I agree with super, if you have nothing else brewing go for it... Best of luck in the interview.

 

[Earl Williams]

"No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico."

"69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico."

Comments like these are IT for me...I'm done with this board. To say something like that, and admit that you'd actually laugh at the death of human beings...is sad. Actually, it's beyond sad...it's sick.

I'm outta here...this forum has reached levels of immaturity and inhumanity that I just don't want to be a part of anymore. Safe flying, and blue skies to all.

 

[nonstop]

"No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico."

"69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico."

Comments like these are IT for me...I'm done with this board. To say something like that, and admit that you'd actually laugh at the death of human beings...is sad. Actually, it's beyond sad...it's sick.

I'm outta here...this forum has reached levels of immaturity and inhumanity that I just don't want to be a part of anymore. Safe flying, and blue skies to all.

Well, look on the bright side. If it were a different industry and different era there'd be a lot more done to individuals who perpetuate the demise of a career than a few offensive comments.

If you go to work for a scum bag like JO and expect anything but animosity from your peers you're dreaming. There's a lot of careers (including your own, though I imagine you're too naive to know it) getting crushed so you can get your quick upgrade.

 

[Paladin]

Jumpseat wars get us nowhere fast...and if you really would laugh if 3 crew members and 50 passengers die in a plane crash (from whatever airline), then shame on you.

Lastly, do you really think that we are the only ones who can safely fly in Mexico? And if I remember correctly...we came very close to balling one up in SLW several years back.

-Neal

Neal...thanks for bringing this thread back to reality...with class of course. My best to you and all my former brothers and sisters at COEX. My jaw just about hit the floor when I read this news. Hopefully, the best case scenario plays out and opportunity knocks on XJT's door...makes me glad I'm in banking now.
Cheers :beer: ,
Markus

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Watch Colgan enter the fray with Saab 2000s or Flyi's former CRJs. The regional airline death spiral continues...

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Whew, I haven't laughed that hard in many keystrokes. Colgan... RJs, that's classic. Oh, and we're getting the Saab 2000s in October, '05. What? It's nearly Jan 1? Oh, they must have them in the paint shop. YEAH!

Shy

 

[BluDevAv8r]

What does ALPA have to do with this? If CO decides to park aircraft they own or lease, Scope, a single list, etc. will not prevent job losses. They would simply be off he bottom of the combined list.

Correct. ALPA has nothing to do with this announcement.

If XJT did not negotiate good Scope clause into thier contract, it's shame on their MEC and negotiating committee, not ALPA National.

I guess they were too busy looking at eroding the Scope of the mainlines to fly more "shiny new jets" than looking behind them.

Actually, the XJT Scope Clause is the best in the small jet industry and incorporates a lot of job protections. However, there was no chance whatsoever that the XJT MEC was ever going to be able to dictate and compel what feeder carrier CAL, Inc. would have to use for its small jet lift. That would be the mother of all scope clauses....and quite frankly, an impossible provision. How could the XJT MEC require that another company's management team use their airline for feed?

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Neal...thanks for bringing this thread back to reality...with class of course. My best to you and all my former brothers and sisters at COEX. My jaw just about hit the floor when I read this news. Hopefully, the best case scenario plays out and opportunity knocks on XJT's door...makes me glad I'm in banking now.
Cheers :beer: ,
Markus

Is this the GSP Markus? Where are you in banking and doing what kind?

-Neal

 

[foreverfo]

Ultimately, the decision for XJT to continue to operate for CAL will come down to XJT pilots. CAL already knows the rates continue to decline, and as previouly mentioned, there is always a carrier willing to do it for less.

So, the question XJT needs to ask themselves is "..how much less are you willing to fly for.."

If anything, I'd say the ball is completely in XJT's court. If you really want that flying, you'll need to lower your rate. And on a continuing basis as more planes come up for renegotiation.

I honestly dont think it's the hourly wages/soft time and etc. that are the problem. CAL has bought all of our seat until sometime in 2007. I think they're trying to get out from under that and pay us in some different fashion. Which would more than likely reduce our "guaranteed profit". I would also wager to guess that they(CAL) would like us to chip in more for gas.

Other things that may make us a tad more pricey is ACARS, elec. wt and bal, our own training center with three sims and maintenance hangars everywhere. These are nice to have and probably are the cause of running such an efficient "feeder".

So saying how much less are we willing to fly for to keep the exclusivity?? Bet around the board that it's none, because that's not the problem.

 

[Paladin]

-Neal
Yeah...that's me...still lurking. Working for a credit union and working on yet another degree from FU. After 7 years I had enough of the transportation industry...marraige and a mortgage puts a lot in perspective. I can't begin to tell you how weird it is to wear a suit to work.