COEX losing 69 Aircraft

[psysix]

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!

WE, not CAL will decide which, if any airframes are returned. We are free to pursue other flying outside the CAL hub system. Not even Mesa or CHQ can make much if any money with an aging 37 or 45 seat jet. (For all practical purposes, the ER's are 45 seaters most of the time.)

This is just the opening salvo. CAL was able to use XJT as a money-laundering ATM during their recent concessions. (We accelerated our repayment of debt.) CAL is unofficially profitable beyond belief, due in large part to Express. (Look at their stock. Ours never went up. Why? THe street knew what whas going on, only the Flight Attendants didn't fall for it.) We may strike out on our own with those airframes, management may use this as a tool to solicit lower labor costs, (I'm voting NO) or almost 700 of our pilots will lose their jobs in a year from now. Time will tell what will happen, my guess is the other shoe has yet to drop drop. It'll be interesting to see what that might be.

In the meantime, just a reminder: Express Jet Holdings has the balance sheet to purchase UAL or DAL. Don't count us down and out yet.

So what? UPS has the balance sheet to purchase EVERY airline in the United States if it wanted! What's your point?

 

[Earl Williams]

real mature, dnkt. Since I'm a Mesa pilot based in ORD, perhaps we can schedule a time for us to meet up so you can "tell me what you think". Here's your chance...face-to-face. PM me so we can coordinate.

The last I looked, I had 16 days off this month...nothing to brag about, but it's a tad more than the 8 days off you claim we all only have (of which I've had once in a year and a half here, and that was because I didn't make the roster when I got out on line). The minimum 8-days off only applies to being on reserve, and with the constant attrition here, that reserve time is minimal to say the least.

And one other thing, do me a favor, and some research. Investigate how many ex-Mesa pilots there are at such carriers as SWA...or American...or NetJets (or any other "step-up" from a regional). Personally, I know of many. Ask them if they're happy making "shoot wages for the rest of their lives". I bet you'll be surprised by not only the quantity of ex-Mesa pilots out there, but also how a few years at Mesa allowed them the opportunity that they now have. It's unfortunate that these ex-Mesa pilots aren't here to justify their decision themselves. Could it be that life is so good for them that they actually don't hang out on this board? Naw, couldn't be.

Bash away...

 

[psysix]

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!

WE, not CAL will decide which, if any airframes are returned. We are free to pursue other flying outside the CAL hub system. Not even Mesa or CHQ can make much if any money with an aging 37 or 45 seat jet. (For all practical purposes, the ER's are 45 seaters most of the time.)

This is just the opening salvo. CAL was able to use XJT as a money-laundering ATM during their recent concessions. (We accelerated our repayment of debt.) CAL is unofficially profitable beyond belief, due in large part to Express. (Look at their stock. Ours never went up. Why? THe street knew what whas going on, only the Flight Attendants didn't fall for it.) We may strike out on our own with those airframes, management may use this as a tool to solicit lower labor costs, (I'm voting NO) or almost 700 of our pilots will lose their jobs in a year from now. Time will tell what will happen, my guess is the other shoe has yet to drop drop. It'll be interesting to see what that might be.

In the meantime, just a reminder: Express Jet Holdings has the balance sheet to purchase UAL or DAL. Don't count us down and out yet.

You guys gonna purchase UAL and DAL and make them "Express Jet Express"?

 

[ASADriver]

Remind me again why I send 1.95% of my paycheck to Herndon. Most expensive magazine I've ever had.

 

[logolight]

I still think this is a hard-ball negotiating tactic and that more negotiating will take place. If you were a CO manager in charge of negotiating, isn't this the tactic you would take (threats to remove aircraft)?

Yeah but my question is what would keep CO from following through with their threat of pulling aircraft if they have the resources to do it? You guys know the companies better than I do but I've seen what happends to express carriers that don't agree on lower wages from larger carriers. Having been there a few times, I don't see it as a "negotiating tactic" as much as it is part of the actual negotiating process. Personaly, I think CO is dead serious in their threat here.

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[say again]

Good luck to all the Express guys, I've been there with the now defunct ACA. But for some reason, I'm not surprised with any of the happenings in this industry. IT SUCKS!!!!!!

 

[ArtVandalay]

What are all you 600 hour folks gonna do now? :laugh:

 

[say again]

What are all you 600 hour folks gonna do now? :laugh:

Flight Instructing??? Just a thought.:beer:

 

[COOPERVANE]

Airline cost containment 101:

Step 1.- Hire 600 hr guys with SJS
Step 2.- Tease pilots with even shinier jets for pay concessions
Step 3.- Build a "cost box"
Step 4.- Award flying to pilots with smallest box
Step 5.- Make sure union is a lame duck
Step 6.- Keep pilots from unifying
Step 7.- Repeat

From responses on this board no one cares about their fellow pilot, so step 6 is in full swing


Expressjet - You guys are one quality operation. I hate to see this happen to you. Good Luck, we will all need it

 

[John C. Holmes]

Just when things could'nt possibly look worse...it gets even worse

 

[jws717]

ALPA has failed us, i was never a fan but now i am down right pissed. They never cared for the regionals and never will. I just lost my job, and did alpa eaven fart on my behalf, no! I am sad to hear that now my friends at express jet will feel the hurt. To everyone else watch out, first Comair, Expressjet and who know who is next..Eagle? ASA? This industry need to change now, many regional pilots are leaving the industry. If pay continues to suck and jobs continue to get cut airline pilot quality will fall and acidents will increase.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

The company hasnt sent you a letter yet have they? If not what are your plans? come to class and see what happens or look elsewhere? I ask because i have a friend thats supposed to be in your class or the first class in Feb. Sucks for us all. Good luck

No, I didnt hear anything from XJT, yet.

I guess in the bigger picture I'm lucky. I didnt actually have to go through all the training, and I got 2200 with 600 multi so I'm still marketable to some other airlines. AWAC, ASA, and Republic called me for an interview.... I guess I'll rethink my first pick on places to work.

 

[Propsfullfwd]

From Semak's vm it is 44xr's and 25 lr's... Great take the good Aircraft...

props

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

ouch...

 

[LJDRVR]

You guys gonna purchase UAL and DAL and make them "Express Jet Express"?

Good lord you're dense. I was simply trying to illustrate that we are one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and as such, we have many options regarding what we do IF 25% of our fleet goes to another operator.