COEX losing 69 Aircraft

[joe_pilot]

DUDE, you have WWWAAAYYY to much time on your hands. Maybe I should go work for Skywest.

Couldn't resist, it came up on the first google search page.

And oh yeah, 21 days off this month, 86 hrs credit. Didn't use one bit of vacation. I was lucky.

Be Cool.

 

[MINIME]

Unfortunately, I'm not in the least, surprised by this move by CAL. I like to think that I and others have hinted at this in the past. For the person that I think, said that this could not happen at Eagle.....I would sure hope you know something I don't. Once the likes of Freedom showed up, the groups at places like Air Whisky and Comair became targets. None of us are imune!

Some may ask, why I bring Freedom into the mix? Because that's when I believe managements around the country saw their wet dreams really come to fruitition. It really could be done! Bring these pilot groups to their knees by whipsawing and pay them what we want to pay them not what we can afford. And through loopholes and a few unethical bodies, it was all legal as well! Something I'm sure they always wanted to do, just not quite at the level they desired. What's happening at XJT is good ole classic whipsawing folks. With the threat of giving your flying to countless others unless......cannot be called anything else other that. Same could be said for Comair and whomever else could, might be next.

I say, demand agressive negotiations with CAL to keep those airplanes. Demand as a solid group for a 50/50 loss by both, management and employees of any salary loss. I don't think the battle's over yet by a long shot. CAL has been known to use the media as a threat when negotiating. Best of luck to you guys.....

 

[N4niner206]

Screw the union they aren't going to do a thing for us!!!!!!! I hope all you Mesa and *************************s scums enjoy flying for shoot wages the rest of your lifes. Ever time im at ORD i just laugh at all you scum bags and your 8 days off a month. Usually I just laugh to myself but im going to start letting you all know what i think of you when i walk by you with my XJT badge on. Have a great day you bottom feeders.

DNKT quit blaming your problems on everyone else. Its pathetic and you just make yourself look stupid. Go laugh at the Mesa pilots who pick up the flying... attitudes like this are not going to help you. Why should a Mesa, Republic, Trans States etc employee feel any need to help you secure your job when you act this way? Besides, you chose to work there... Keep up that attitude and you can expect nothing more than employees of those companies to LAUGH out loud at you with your XJT badge as you make your way toward the unemployment line.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ultimately, the decision for XJT to continue to operate for CAL will come down to XJT pilots. CAL already knows the rates continue to decline, and as previouly mentioned, there is always a carrier willing to do it for less.

So, the question XJT needs to ask themselves is "..how much less are you willing to fly for.."

If anything, I'd say the ball is completely in XJT's court. If you really want that flying, you'll need to lower your rate. And on a continuing basis as more planes come up for renegotiation.

 

[MINIME]

Oh! And for those of you that still want to be AIRLINE PILOTS and are still in the process of obtaining your ratings, put down what you're doing and save your money! If you're in school, immediatly go see a counselor and change your major if it's aviation related and do something else! This aviation stuff is not worth your money at this point in time. Perhaps later in time but not now.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Oh! And for those of you that still want to be AIRLINE PILOTS and are still in the process of obtaining your ratings, put down what you're doing and save your money! If you're in school, immediatly go see a counselor and change your major if it's aviation related and do something else! This aviation stuff is not worth your money at this point in time. Perhaps later in time but not now.

Never man.

Ive worked too hard and spent too much money to turn away now. I'm willing to make crappy pay for a few years and top out at 60-70 ish. no problem here.

Maybe some of you guys who have drank from the fountain can go else where, thats up to you. But i want a regional job. And making it a career isnt so bad.

You guys whine but you're just happy to be flying.

Well one day I want to have the privilge to whine too.


ARF III

 

[migio]

Never man.

Ive worked too hard and spent too much money to turn away now. I'm willing to make crappy pay for a few years and top out at 60-70 ish. no problem here.

Maybe some of you guys who have drank from the fountain can go else where, thats up to you. But i want a regional job. And making it a career isnt so bad.

You guys whine but you're just happy to be flying.

Well one day I want to have the privilge to whine too.


ARF III

Don't say we never warned you.

 

[Mesa Fan Club]

69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico.

 

[Captain X]

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[Mercury]

Never man.

Ive worked too hard and spent too much money to turn away now. I'm willing to make crappy pay for a few years and top out at 60-70 ish. no problem here.

Maybe some of you guys who have drank from the fountain can go else where, thats up to you. But i want a regional job. And making it a career isnt so bad.

You guys whine but you're just happy to be flying.

Well one day I want to have the privilge to whine too.


ARF III

You are either really drunk or really trying to stir up some $hit. Either way its not the least bit funny or professional. "willling to make crappy pay and top out at 60-70k" Gimmie a friggin break, I think I'll change my first comment to read either really drunk or spoiled brat, trust fund candy a$$.

Looks like my anger management classes didnt work........again!

 

[Fly4hire]

Why didn't those XJT pilots get an agreement with ALPA before voting ALPA on the property. Express Jet was in the position to scope this flying and reasonably close to one list at one time.

D@mn, another contestant now enters the race for the bottom, and I'm sure others will look to nibble on XJT's flying.

What does ALPA have to do with this? If CO decides to park aircraft they own or lease, Scope, a single list, etc. will not prevent job losses. They would simply be off he bottom of the combined list.

If XJT did not negotiate good Scope clause into thier contract, it's shame on their MEC and negotiating committee, not ALPA National.

I guess they were too busy looking at eroding the Scope of the mainlines to fly more "shiny new jets" than looking behind them.

I feel thier pain - really.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

You are either really drunk or really trying to stir up some $hit. Either way its not the least bit funny or professional. "willling to make crappy pay and top out at 60-70k" Gimmie a friggin break, I think I'll change my first comment to read either really drunk or spoiled brat, trust fund candy a$$.

Looks like my anger management classes didnt work........again!

Im neither drunk nor trying to stir anything up. It wasntmeant to be funny or unprofessional. Yeah, like ppl around here are sooo professional.

Evryone is always talking about how crappy their pay is. They all announce it loud and clear and how terrible it is. Why not chastize them.

I AM willing to make low wages for a few years in order to top out at 60-70K/yr. Maybe by then it'll be closer to 80K.

The point being, 70 or 80 a yr, is not so awful. I work more than twice as many hours a year (55 hr. weeks) to make that kind of money now, sitting in front of a cpu. If I can work half the time and be flying, well, it doesnt seem so bad to me. You dont have to agree. But if you compklain than quit the job. What can I say.

Stay with a regional and top your pay out. If youre lucky, go on to a major.

But I know what the rules and pays are outthere, and Im willing to accept the low startign wages to eventually make high 5 figures.

Im not a spoiled brat, and I paid every cent for my ratings.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Looks like my anger management classes didnt work........again!

No they didn't.

Go relax and let someone have an opinion.

 

[pianoman]

Im neither drunk nor trying to stir anything up. It wasntmeant to be funny or unprofessional. Yeah, like ppl around here are sooo professional.

Evryone is always talking about how crappy their pay is. They all announce it loud and clear and how terrible it is. Why not chastize them.

I AM willing to make low wages for a few years in order to top out at 60-70K/yr. Maybe by then it'll be closer to 80K.

The point being, 70 or 80 a yr, is not so awful. I work more than twice as many hours a year (55 hr. weeks) to make that kind of money now, sitting in front of a cpu. If I can work half the time and be flying, well, it doesnt seem so bad to me. You dont have to agree. But if you compklain than quit the job. What can I say.

Stay with a regional and top your pay out. If youre lucky, go on to a major.

But I know what the rules and pays are outthere, and Im willing to accept the low startign wages to eventually make high 5 figures.

Im not a spoiled brat, and I paid every cent for my ratings.

Look. Do you understand that right after you show up, someone will undercut you if we don't stop this?

 

[Mercury]

Once you've been there maybe you'll understand. But then again if you're willing to accept the staus quo and never fight to push the bar a little higher, (pay,qol), then I wish you all the best in your endevours and I hope you are happy with the results. Good luck with your choices!

 

[pilotboy76]

You have got to be friggin kidding me!!

Amish...Buddy....

I cant talk you out of your opinion, but I can point out where you are wrong. Unless you were born with the silver spoon, you have got to be in some type of debt, and if you were born with the spoon, then congrats on your future inheritance, new car, nice home etc..
A lot of us have spent 4 years in college, and 1-2 years on flight ratings, and possibly even some military career hours.
Most people with that type of education and debt will start out at what your trying to top out at.
Inflation by the time your topped out will make 75,000 a year look like horse piS*.
Are you in your 20's? Then plan on topping out by the time your 40, and your willing to go through 20 years, 4 contracts, possible furloghs, and conutless dung reapers coming in to take your flying at half of what your willing to do it for???
Dude... Your bound to be over your SJS by the time you hit your second year in a regional. Please....Dont make the mistake of bolstering the ranks of puke regionals who are just loving the fact guys like you are willing to work 22 days a month for 20000 a year, and all with the hopes of making what you should be paid right out of school with the education you supposedly have.
Have some dignity.
GB

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Everyone always references the $20,000 a year figure, yet it is only for the first couple of years. With per diem and hrs. beyondtha tguaranteed, you do much much better.

After upgrading and flying for a few more years, the pay does go up.

you make things sound so bleak, why ot leave the profession. Hopefully things will get better but asthey stand now, theyre not. Im still gonna get involved. Those who are there can complain, but they still work that job. Theres plenty of opportunites out there to make more at soemthing else. But they stay anyway.

Point is, 70=80 /yr is not so bad flying 80+ hrs a month.

 

[Alaska82]

You guys are gonna love this.. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179306,00.html
click on the clip on the right about careers then watch the video, great.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I just hope our management pulls something off in the next nine months. I'll go back to repeating right rudder before I'll go pull gear for Mesa.

 

[beechcowboy]

Sorry guys, but I have to set this guy straight. AMISH, it is obvious that you must be in your early 20's and unattached (that means married). Certainly, you don't have any children, at least, none that you have been made aware of. Let me give you a dose of reality. This $20K salary per year that you speak of... yeah its not that big a of a deal if you only have to deal with it for one year, but what if you deal with it for a year.... get furloughed.... enter next regional job.... deal with it for a year.... give concessions, then get furloughed... on to next regional job... the saga continues. I've got my 3rd child on the way in less than 3 weeks and this was my New Year's gift. I will do my job the best I can, show my passengers the best service that I can provide, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was concerned and extremely disappointed. Oh yeah, and your upgrade, well.... it is very difficult to upgrade when you have to keep starting at the bottom. Please, for the sake of all of us, wake up and think about what you are saying before you open your mouth. I am not greedy, I just want to be able to take care of my wife and children and have a good time with my fellow pilots. However, I'm afraid that, as long as their are youngsters out there willing to fly for $3/hr less than myself... my fate is sealed. Granted, maybe they can afford to do it, cuz they have no real responsibilities, other than some credit card tabs. Please, anyone else who posts on this site, think about how stupid some of the trash coming out of your mouth sounds. If what I see on this site is representative of our "quality operation", maybe I would've been better off at my charter op, or Colgan. Do your jobs and if you have something to say, say it to our company. This is not over.