COEX losing 69 Aircraft

[Amish RakeFight]

Look. Do you understand that right after you show up, someone will undercut you if we don't stop this?

Of course I want better pay for myself and everyone else who flies. But what choice does anyone have. If all regional pilots went out on strike maybe theyd get better wages. I dont see anyone doing anythign about this.

Should I stay away from a regional job until they pay 50K/yr starting?

 

[MINIME]

Amish my man,

I totally understand if you already have ALL your ratings and experience to get a job at a regional and therefore wanting to get one. I, we.. all know what it's like, we've all been there. And I sincerely respect your wishes. But please don't sell yourself short when it comes to income in this business. That is precisely what we are trying to fight against in these trying times. Holding your selfworth when it comes to compensation is one of the few weapons we might still have. Saying I'm OK with this and that isn't gonna cut it when you're at a regional, sitting as a F/O for a million years having to pay bills for you and your family. Unless of course, you're independently wealthy and you really just don't need the money. And if that was the case with me personally, I would just go out and buy my own airplane and fly wherever I dang pleased, whenever I felt like it not when scheduling told me to do so.

My original comment was mostly geared toward the youth that's coming up in this profession at the flight school level. Some may know others may not know about the slaughter that's taking place at airlines now at days with its pilots. Most still think that; 1) they are going to upgrade in less than two years therefore the money will come soon enough, 2) they will be captains for one or two more years and they will move on to a major. I'm sure there are some that this scenerio may have or has played out for them. But we know that this is by no means the norm. The vast majority will probably at some point be; disgruntled, hungry, tired, fatigued, broke, nervous about a commute, nervous about a furlough, and sometimes even lonely since you might not get to spend important days with your family. Small price to pay you say? Yes perhaps, if salaries at the very least, kept going up with inflation and your bosses treated you with the respect you deserve. Otherwise you're left to deal with what we have today; whipsaws, concessions, consessions, consessions, possible furloughs, possible furloughs and furloughs if you don't see it their way. Unfortunately, with no near end in sight it appears.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Amish, EVERYONE in your situation has/had Shiney jet syndrome. I had it too. I would bet 99% of them lost it after 2+ years at a regional.

The "I'll fly for poverty wages for the chance to make $80,000" argument is getting old.

3-10 years ago it looked as if you could make it to that level and maybe a "major"

Not anymore! Kit Darby lied!! Your Mgmt WILL lie to you

You don't get it: there will be no $80,000 wages at the regionals........EVER!! As long as people are willing to sell their soul just to get a job and wear a leather jacket.

By the way:

$18.00/hr = about $15,000/yr
$34.00/hr= about $25,000/yr

Plus, getting paid for 85 hours per month means working 10-14 (sometimes 16) hour days and doing ALOT of sitting in your uniform and NOT getting paid. Never kept track of how many hours I "worked" if you count from the time I dutied in until duty out. Probably shouldn't. It would be around $10.00/hr

Therefore you will clear 13-16K your first year
25-30 your second if you are lucky
After 3-4 years you will upgrade and clear 40-50
Then you WILL be furloughed because somebody will do it for less!!
Repeat above, go to another regional, log onto flightinfo and read about a kid who wants to work at a regional so bad, he will do it for $14.00/hr Let's see what you tell HIM

 

[007]

69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico.

LOL

ROOOGGEEERRR JetlIIInk, ohh soo soorrryyy, AERo shuottleee

 

[007]

And oh yeah, 21 days off this month, 86 hrs credit. Didn't use one bit of vacation. I was lucky.

Be Cool.

Me too, but thats FMLA with a rather painful wisdom tooth extraction and only 75 hrs credit.... hey at least I didn't have to commute, so that adds 10 hrs.

 

[joe_pilot]

Me too, but thats FMLA with a rather painful wisdom tooth extraction and only 75 hrs credit.... hey at least I didn't have to commute, so that adds 10 hrs.

Ouch! Never, ever mention 'tooth' and 'extraction' in the same sentence again.

 

[mckpickle]

You don't get it: there will be no $80,000 wages at the regionals........EVER!!

Well we have that at XJT now......wonder how long that will last.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I should clarify. $80,000 for someone starting now won't happen.

How many years in to make 80K and how many people are making that at XJT?

 

[sardinesnack]

Amish-

You will never make as much as I do and did at XJT as an airline pilot.

 

[mckpickle]

quite a few!

 

[bugchaser]

I don't know where some of you are getting some of your figures but second year pay can be much better than 25k. I fully expect to make 40-45k in my second year at ExpressJet. It can be done if you are willing to work.

 

[suupah]

Everyone always references the $20,000 a year figure, yet it is only for the first couple of years. With per diem and hrs. beyondtha tguaranteed, you do much much better.

After upgrading and flying for a few more years, the pay does go up.

you make things sound so bleak, why ot leave the profession. Hopefully things will get better but asthey stand now, theyre not. Im still gonna get involved. Those who are there can complain, but they still work that job. Theres plenty of opportunites out there to make more at soemthing else. But they stay anyway.

Point is, 70=80 /yr is not so bad flying 80+ hrs a month.

Either he is part of management or he just thinks that we are all idiots. because if he actuallyunderstood what goes into being a line pilot he would not say this ignorant sh1t.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Start stackin resignation letters effective feb 1st.

If management can cancel a contract whenever they want why cant a pilot group start forcefull negotions for a new one anytime they feel like it.

Management can not cancel a contract whenever they want.

-Neal

 

[BlackPilot628]

I don't know where some of you are getting some of your figures but second year pay can be much better than 25k. I fully expect to make 40-45k in my second year at ExpressJet. It can be done if you are willing to work.

This is true if you want to work your butt off. Sometimes you need to do that to help with X-mas gifts and so on. I'm myself worked by butt off the last 3 months so I could buy everyone gifts this year. I did very well in the last 3 months.

 

[say again]

Im neither drunk nor trying to stir anything up. It wasntmeant to be funny or unprofessional. Yeah, like ppl around here are sooo professional.

Evryone is always talking about how crappy their pay is. They all announce it loud and clear and how terrible it is. Why not chastize them.

I AM willing to make low wages for a few years in order to top out at 60-70K/yr. Maybe by then it'll be closer to 80K.

The point being, 70 or 80 a yr, is not so awful. I work more than twice as many hours a year (55 hr. weeks) to make that kind of money now, sitting in front of a cpu. If I can work half the time and be flying, well, it doesnt seem so bad to me. You dont have to agree. But if you compklain than quit the job. What can I say.

Stay with a regional and top your pay out. If youre lucky, go on to a major.

But I know what the rules and pays are outthere, and Im willing to accept the low startign wages to eventually make high 5 figures.

Im not a spoiled brat, and I paid every cent for my ratings.

So young, stupid, and very naive. It's people like you that are willing to work for peanuts that ruin it for the rest of us. I wasn't happy making 40-45 grand for years to come, it sux. And the comment you said about only working 75-80 hrs a month is bull$hit. That is all you get paid. You get paid block time, not the time that you are on duty, which usually is considerably longer. You could fly 6 hrs a day (paid) and be on duty for 14, which leaves 8 hrs of wasted time (unpaid). This job is not as glamorous as it seems. I think you should do some research and get the facts before you start posting, so you don't make yourself look like a complete fool. Oh yeah, don't give me this, "if you are so unhappy than quit" BS either. Aviation is a career unlike others. You just can't quit your job and find something of equal or more pay, usually you are going to take another drastic pay cut. Again, inform yourself before posting.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

So young, stupid, and very naive. It's people like you that are willing to work for peanuts that ruin it for the rest of us. ....................
Aviation is a career unlike others. You just can't quit your job and find something of equal or more pay, usually you are going to take another drastic pay cut. Again, inform yourself before posting.

Are you telling me to not take a job for 22K a year? should I wait until the job pays 50K to start? Is that what you honestly think will happen? IT NEVER WILL. Those are the dynamics of the industry.

What is your point?

Im hurting the industry because I want to get a job flying at a regional? Isnt this what you did when you signed up? You accepted the pay and still work the job.

So dont criticize me. Youre just being a hypocrite. Its people like you who are STILL working for peanuts. Why not do something about it instead of passing the buck to someone who wants to work too.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Either he is part of management or he just thinks that we are all idiots. because if he actuallyunderstood what goes into being a line pilot he would not say this ignorant sh1t.

nice post, but it is you who kind of sounds ignorant. I bet you were a C student at best.

 

[XJETDriver]

DNKT quit blaming your problems on everyone else. Its pathetic and you just make yourself look stupid. Go laugh at the Mesa pilots who pick up the flying... attitudes like this are not going to help you. Why should a Mesa, Republic, Trans States etc employee feel any need to help you secure your job when you act this way? Besides, you chose to work there... Keep up that attitude and you can expect nothing more than employees of those companies to LAUGH out loud at you with your XJT badge as you make your way toward the unemployment line.

No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico. I will also laugh at any Mesa pilot that trys to jumpseat on my a/c.

 

[XJETDriver]

69 jets + Mesa = smoking hole in mexico.

LOL...that is GREAT!!

 

[spacecadet1]

No we are going to be laughing when Mesa drills a mountain in Mexico. I will also laugh at any Mesa pilot that trys to jumpseat on my a/c.

Now, now, be nice. If you let them jumpseat, and are nice to them, they just might write you a letter of recommendation at Mesa. Or better yet, personally deliver it to J.O. You would probably do quite well in the E-145 training.