CMR on the move

[FDJ2]

N2264J stated: Not necessarily. At PSA, the contract was unilaterally modified by the mainline union and management after the PSA pilots signed off on it.

The mainline pilots can not unilaterally modify another bargaining units collective bargaining agreement.

In LOA 46, special employment rights for Delta furloughees is a precondition for 70 seat growth. That's Jets for Jobs.

No, that's preferential hiring and it does not impact your CBA in the least.

To date, ALPA has refused to release the details of their "preferential hiring" protocol eluded to in LOA 46. Our MEC doesn't even know what it is.

Any J4J scenerio, such as the PSA agreement that you alluded to, would require the approval of the CMR pilots, otherwise it is just like BVT stated, a hiring to the bottom of the list protocol.

 

[surplus1]

The mainline pilots can not unilaterally modify another bargaining units collective bargaining agreement.

Don't act so surprised FDJ2, ALPA has been doing that sort of stuff to regionals for years. They negotiate and agreement for "mainline" which in turn forces changes in the regional agreement. It may not be legal and it sure isn't Kosher, but that never bothered ALPA before.

No, that's preferential hiring and it does not impact your CBA in the least.

You have a future at FOX News. It's Jets for Jobs no matter how you spin it. If you don't get the "preferential hiring" we don't get the jets. It walks, talks and looks like a duck; it's a duck.

 

[Rhoid]

It seems to be now how bad do you want new jets? It will boil down to the senior/lifer pilots (surplus1) vs. the junior pilots who still want to work for a major at some point and need the upgrade/PIC time.

 

[FDJ2]

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Don't act so surprised FDJ2, ALPA has been doing that sort of stuff to regionals for years.

Unilaterally changing PWA's of regional carriers? Sorry Surplus, but that dog don't hunt. Give me one Section, Paragraph or Sentence of the PSA PWA that was unilaterally changed by the mainline.



It's Jets for Jobs no matter how you spin it. If you don't get the "preferential hiring" we don't get the jets. It walks, talks and looks like a duck; it's a duck.

You're going to have to use a sharper pencil there Surplus. J4J requires a change in the PWA of a regional affiliate and allows mainline pilots to bid left seat positions at the regional affiliate, preferential hiring does not. CMR pilots, in particular the CMR MEC, did an about face about three months ago, before LOA 46 was agreed to, supporting the hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots, as opposed to their previous position of slamming the door in their face. So this reversal of the CMR pilots has nothing to do with the current DAL PWA. Nice try at spin though.

 

[doh]

Rhoid,

I'm probably a lifer. I'll still support this under the right circumstances, ie; the planes come in a timely fashion, it's real growth not replacement stuff, ya know, the details. I understand that the young guys need the pic to move on and the time will come sooner than you think! I want what's best for all of us. Let's just make sure it IS bestfor all of us.

 

[nimrod]

All i know is tht if it passes evey cmr pilot who has ever bad mouthed any contract carrier pilot is a two faced spineless piece of garbage. You guys wanted the best contract and you got it. Well as a result your stagnant. You guys are all so proud of your industry leading pay. What a f'ing joke. Jokers.

 

[jarhead]

All i know is tht if it passes evey cmr pilot who has ever bad mouthed any contract carrier pilot is a two faced spineless piece of garbage. You guys wanted the best contract and you got it. Well as a result your stagnant. You guys are all so proud of your industry leading pay. What a f'ing joke. Jokers.

Thanks for your very first post! You brought a lot to the table with that one. Whole lot of good ideas put forth there. Keep up the good work!

 

[chperplt]

All i know is tht if it passes evey cmr pilot who has ever bad mouthed any contract carrier pilot is a two faced spineless piece of garbage. You guys wanted the best contract and you got it. Well as a result your stagnant. You guys are all so proud of your industry leading pay. What a f'ing joke. Jokers.

Words of a moron!

 

[nimrod]

Well, If Delta hoped we were going to give anything back, GG fuked himself a few weeks ago. He told the world we (Comair) had the lowest overall cost of any DCI carrier.

If that's the case, he reaffirms that pilot cost is not pivotal and give backs are not required.

I'm sure cutbacks are needed, but those cutbacks can come in the way of smarter spending and executive level salaries.


Words to live by. I hope all of you guys think like this. I just can't stand the two-faced garbage.

 

[doh]

Wow,

Nimrod, you sure picked the right name, nimrod! I'm assuming you are CHQ. I'll tell you the same thing I told the other CHQ guy who trod this road. One finger salute to you! I have always defended you guys because you did not make the rules, you just live by them. I defended your contract because I know what CMR guys gave up when mgmt wanted to seperate the MCO op from CVG. You did a lot better getting scope and making other gains. Don't try to blow subnshine up my skirt now, cause that dog won't hunt.

 

[chperplt]

Nimrod

In the end, I'm making 37 an hour to fly the same thing you're getting 25 or so to fly... Either way I win.

 

[Rhoid]

I wouldn't be shooting my mouth off about $37 an hour! that's dispicable that anyone would work for such a meager wage. But knowing where you came from it's a raise!

 

[chperplt]

I sure won't get rich off of it, but how is it dispicable?

Not much of a raise from where I came from, but the QOL increase is priceless!

 

[General Lee]

I sure won't get rich off of it, but how is it dispicable?

Not much of a raise from where I came from, but the QOL increase is priceless!

That's what the Skywest guys said.......or at least 2/3 of them did. But, there is the question of what will happen if you say no? Will your flying be farmed out to someone who will take it? Absolutely. We at Delta were faced with imminent court proceedings, and you are faced with losing any growth and losing current aircraft possibly. You know there are other people who would love to take your flying. But, will you take a step back pay wise? You may have to. This will really get interesting in the next few weeks.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[chperplt]

But, will you take a step back pay wise?

What do you consider a step back? For me, a freeze is not a step back. For someone else, it may be.

That's what the Skywest guys said.......or at least 2/3 of them did

What did the Skywest guys say?? They won't get rich off of it or that it isn't dispicable?

How can you compare Skywest to us? Are we flying 70s for the same price as a 50?