CMR on the move

[AV8700]

So when the say 25 more 70 seaters, does that mean they keep the current fleet the same size add 25 new 70 seat aircraft. or does it mean you get 25 new 70 seaters and we quietly get rid of 25 OLD 50 seaters resulting in very little grow and just a aircraft swap from 50 to 70 seaters???

I don't think they are guaranteed anything except the possibility of growth. Delta
already knows where the aircraft are going. Was there an RFP? FB has been there two weeks and came up with all this? Horse caca! Say no, you'll still get the aircraft.

 

[DDpaysoff]

I spent way too much time in ops today and some of the details are that new hires would NOT be stuck on 1st year pay. When they reach the 1 year mark they would increase to 2nd year pay and then be frozen. Also, there is a sunset clause in the freeze that cancels it June 2007 when the contract becomes ammendable. The MEC is meeting tomorrow to go over the proposal. Hopefully, we'll get a better idea of the details early next week.

Interesting stuff there caveman. Tell me is the shaved head rumor true?

 

[XRMEFLYER]

So when the say 25 more 70 seaters, does that mean they keep the current fleet the same size add 25 new 70 seat aircraft. or does it mean you get 25 new 70 seaters and we quietly get rid of 25 OLD 50 seaters resulting in very little grow and just a aircraft swap from 50 to 70 seaters???

Therein lies the rub!

 

[sleeve]

yeah, we're probably all gonna get screwed.... we'll still get new aircraft just like last time, its all a ploy...same song and dance just now its a different tune....last time they were talking pay cuts/bene. cuts etc..now its just a pay freeze, which FO's are gonna have anyway cause our agreement only goes out 5 years..

Its states plain as day..if we don't get aircraft we go back to original pay scale, which will be a whole 2 bucks tops and another eternity as an FO... the nuts and bolts of the deal hasn't even been presented yet and some of us are already doom and gloom..there doesn't have to be an RFP everytime aircraft are possibly going some where..FB has already told most of middle management that there is a possibilty of shrinkage (and not the cold water kind)..if we don't make some changes soon...after the last RFP we all said "we'll get A/C" well I've moved up a whole 4 or 5 numbers since.

we're talking a few bucks a year for the next 2-3 years then we can negotiate something else...and some of us will have something to look forward sometime before we all turn out to be ten year FO's at a regional!!

 

[av8tor4239]

So when the say 25 more 70 seaters, does that mean they keep the current fleet the same size add 25 new 70 seat aircraft. or does it mean you get 25 new 70 seaters and we quietly get rid of 25 OLD 50 seaters resulting in very little grow and just a aircraft swap from 50 to 70 seaters???

Excellent point.. Here at ASA we are getting 25 new jets, but losing 18 ATR's.. So much for the growth.

 

[doh]

Hold on there sleevey dear. I'm not doom and gloom. I just don't want to have the same experience I've had every other time I've jumped right in to some management proposal. It starts with, "well, that's not how we interpret the agreement." The next thing you know, some F/O ( now who would that be ) is complaining because the agreement he jumped right into has left him in the right seat at a regional for the last ten years. Let's take the time to make sure we are getting the real deal. Bait and switch and out right lies are management's bread and butt(rell)er.

 

[bvt1151]

All the union has to do is write into the agreement that if a net gain of 10 50-seaters or greater, and 25 70-seaters or greater does not take place by a certain date, the pay reverts back.

That solves all of your conspiracy issues.

 

[Smacktard]

Excellent point.. Here at ASA we are getting 25 new jets, but losing 18 ATR's.. So much for the growth.

So a quote from a mechanic is now fact? When did that happen?

 

[anon]

E-170 or CRJ700 - who cares

The E-170 is a better airplane for the pax than the CRJ-700, no doubt.

However --- I get paid by MY seat, not the pax. Quite honestly, I could care less if the airplane was a CRJ700 or an E-170 as long as the pay is right.

Give me an airplane that performs well, doesn't break, and is comfortable and user-friendly to me - pay me for that airplane - and I'll be happy in either aircraft.

 

[711-24-7]

Excellent point.. Here at ASA we are getting 25 new jets, but losing 18 ATR's.. So much for the growth.

Last I heard was we are only getting rid of 7 ATR's where is this rumore of losing 18 out of 19 ATR's coming from?........... And why 18 not all of them and how one can prove it. Well I guess I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Caveman]

Yes, supposedly the shaved head bit is true, but I didn't ask anyone about it. The other stuff I did ask about and they are a part of the proposal.

 

[C425Driver]

Caveman,

What's the shaved head rumor?

 

[chperplt]

I heard the shaved head offer was made during the meeting FB had with the crew members.. Senior pilots can shave him bald if this passes.

 

[wrigley23]

After reading all the replies I still am not sure whether or not the so called freeze on longevity increases is applied to the annual contract raises or the individual pilot anniversary increase. Since the contract raises end after June this year, will the 2005 rate go into effect if an aircraft is delivered?

So if a new 50 seater is delivered in June, all the junior FOs will be frozen at $38 for no less than 2 years until 2007? Why would any junior captain go for this either? Maybe the prospect of getting off reserve is enticing enough. I do see a rift between some junior and senior guys happening, but I guess thats inevitable.

Interesting next couple of weeks.

 

[Heavy Set]

The E-170 is a better airplane for the pax than the CRJ-700, no doubt.

However --- I get paid by MY seat, not the pax. Quite honestly, I could care less if the airplane was a CRJ700 or an E-170 as long as the pay is right.

Give me an airplane that performs well, doesn't break, and is comfortable and user-friendly to me - pay me for that airplane - and I'll be happy in either aircraft.

Having talked to an MDA pilot who has flown both - the E170 is preferred by far in his opinion. Better avionics, wider cockpit, more of a "big airplane" feel to it. Sure some pilots don't care so long as they're paid appropriately. But if given the choice, the E170 seems like a nicer ride (I can confirm that as a pax)...