CAL GUYS, PAY not as they stated in writting.

[The Victors]

My New Hire acceptance letter for CAL stated exactly word for word, "Pay begins the first day of training. Training pay is calculated at 76.00 hours per month for a full month of training. First year pay is $29.97 per hour, regardless of equipment flown." Now, I was in training during the entire month of April, and I was compensated for 72.00 hours. I called payroll and they said that the correct compensation is 72.00, not 76.00 as stated in the letter, and that the letter was wrong. HMMMM????!!!!???? They also told me that I was to reference Section 3 Part 8 Para C..... of the contract if I had any questions. Seems to me that this letter is legally binding, and no contract was given to me ahead of accepting the job, and starting training. If it changed somewhere along the lines, hiring dept did not make the changes, but that's not my fault. Secondly, if you read section mentioned, it is geared towards not a newhire, but someone flying the line, one who might be losing pay during training because it references (2:24) or trip lost, whichever is greater. I am certainly not new to airline contracts, but would like the money that I feel I am owed. Not much, but a great deal for a newhire here. CAL guys, your input, and best course of action please.... New guy and realize that as well with regard to being a squeaky wheel, just want what I feel I am owed. Keep in mind, this also effect 100's of newhires even though they havent realized it until now.... Thanks for the input...

Wow, and I thought SkyBus had low wages.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

An ex-CAL guy (left after 9 months for SWA) was in the XJT weather room yesterday telling a story that his hotel room wasn't scheduled in IAH the night before his IOE. He called scheduling and they told him it wasn't their problem and advised him to sleep in the crew room. He said it happened to 4 other guys in his new hire class.

There is no way I cold work for that place after hearing so many stories. Yes, for you history buffs, I interviewed, was hired, and turned them down when they called me with a class date. Definitely wost major IMO.

I was most concerned that nothing is going to change there for a long time.

 

[Andy]

Done properly, this could be done without getting in "trouble." Managements such as yours, Andy, know that pilots of most major airlines are scared to put their d!ck on the line to fight for what they believe in. It's only $80/mo, it's only a few days more off, it's only a couple of bucks an hour, its only your pension, it's..................................................

Done properly? When all it takes is a manager having a bad day for you to be terminated?

Let's go over risk/reward here. The maximum upside is $80. The maximum downside is losing your job.

I've seen plenty of legacy pilots wave the BS flag on legit issues, but I've never seen it as a recommended course of action for a probie. To risk your career over $80 is completely foolhardy. If the guy wasn't on probation, that's fine. But on probation, the company can terminate his employment without cause and ALPA is not going to help the guy.

As far as the other stuff you cited, poor analogy. For you to say that legacy pilots are scared to fight management is a gross misstatement of reality. Your management and line personnel have a friendly relationship so I can understand your ignorance on the subject.

 

[regionaltard]

I called payroll and they said that the correct compensation is 72.00, not 76.00 as stated in the letter, and that the letter was wrong. HMMMM????!!!!????

Could it be that they're just trolling for troublemakers? I hate to break it to you, but you unequivocally signaled your willingness to eat $hit by pursuing a job in this industry in the first place. I'd carefully consider the implications of letting my new employer know that I was considering a healthier diet if I were you.

 

[Andy]

I hate to break it to you, but you unequivocally signaled your willingness to eat $hit by pursuing a job in this industry in the first place.

Do you mind if I plagiarize this? Spot on.

 

[ToThePain]

An ex-CAL guy (left after 9 months for SWA) was in the XJT weather room yesterday telling a story that his hotel room wasn't scheduled in IAH the night before his IOE. He called scheduling and they told him it wasn't their problem and advised him to sleep in the crew room. He said it happened to 4 other guys in his new hire class.

There is no way I cold work for that place after hearing so many stories. Yes, for you history buffs, I interviewed, was hired, and turned them down when they called me with a class date. Definitely wost major IMO.

I was most concerned that nothing is going to change there for a long time.

Pocono,
Do you troll FI to find times to criticize CAL, the company you interviewed with?
Do you know the circumstances regarding this not scheduling a hotel room for IOE with this guy you know who left CAL for SW? He probably wasn't given a room because he was based in IAH and CAL is not responsible for setting up your accomodations when you are flying out of you home base. You are in training for 1 1/2 months where they pay you $29.97/hour guaranteed for 72 hours a month and recieve approx. $44/day per diem. While this definately needs improvement I think that during that time you have pleny of time to find a place to stay (i.e a crach pad) or a hotel room.
When I went to IOE out of Newark they didn't give me a room either nor did I expect this since that was where I was based.

 

[JoeMerchant]

$25,894.08 per year first year, plus you have to pay for your own health insurance..... is it any wonder that people are leaving for SWA.....

 

[Whataburger]

Done properly? When all it takes is a manager having a bad day for you to be terminated?

Your management and line personnel have a friendly relationship so I can understand your ignorance on the subject.

A) Never seen a pilot fired for something so small. Never seen a probie fired at all, and I have seen some probies do some pretty darn dumb stuff.

B) Ignorance on the subject? Disagreement is not a sign of ignorance. How many airlines have you been employed by? This is my third in 9 years, so I think its safe to say I have the ability and background to draw a rational opinion on this subject.

 

[vtwo]

Quit bitching and get back to work, there are plenty of other "shiny jet syndrome" pilots who will eat the turd samich. now if you want to fight for whats right. go back to college and join a movement. plus the chick there are easy(.Hairy but Easy) If you believe you are right then find a tact full way to bring it to your manager and the union to get results. If either are worth a sheet then the solution will find it self.
Good luck and hope you win.

 

[regionaltard]

Do you mind if I plagiarize this? Spot on.

Thanks for the props, but I don't think that it's technically possible to plagiarize something that's so painfully obvious to begin with-it's not like I'm the only one to have figured this one out. This Skybus thing makes me think that we might even have already progressed beyond basic $hit eating to the point where we're feeding the monster a high-fiber diet and laxatives and then fighting for the choice spots close to the sphincter.