Breaking Colgan Alpa News

[Mr Wu]

Maybe next time around you guys can try the teamsters...

Do the Teamsters have to wait a year?

 

[suupah]

what can i say, this sucks.

 

[Yodafly]

Really thought it would pass, can't believe the pilots would think that voting for Alpa is the wrong way to go.

ALPA, although they suck in so many ways is better then nothing. The thought of some changes gave allot of us hope in some improvements long overdue.

I guess we will all see if the Colgan's looking at at 50% unsatisfactory rate will come up with something for the pilots who backed them...work rules and some industry standard rates on the q400 would be nice.

the ball is back in there court for the next year if the screw it up, next years vote is just 12 months away and I'm sure that people will be less sympathetic if they don't play nice in the sandbox.

disappointed but hopeful

 

[70-SS]

I heard that some guys didn't vote because they thought it would pass anyway.

Pretty sad isn't it. Also pretty lazy.

 

[70-SS]

Maybe next time around you guys can try the teamsters...

Good idea and George Dubya and lead the charge.

 

[FIXIT]

For all of those who voted yes...HA HA. for those who voted no or didn't vote at all, Congrats. ALPA is the devil and you will be better off without them.

 

[70-SS]

For all of those who voted yes...HA HA. .

You shouldn't gloat.

 

[better up here]

For all of those who voted yes...HA HA. for those who voted no or didn't vote at all, Congrats. ALPA is the devil and you will be better off without them.

but we're better off with guys like you on our team?

grow up.

 

[Turtlesfly]

I used to fly for Colgan and I can tell you exactly why it failed

Because you have many senior guys who kiss management's as* and scheduling's as* and demand to be treated like God's gift to aviation (you know some of the people I'm talking about) . . . and they know very well that not everything runs on a perfectly honest seniority basis. If a union comes in that will give more rights to your most junior people, all "favors" given to more senior guys would dissappear. They've got their nitche: they build lines for the guys for crying out loud! The senior capt's want to take advantage of a company that barely honors seniority system so they can get what they want and a union would threaten that.

 

[TurboAWD]

he replied "we are all at this airline to just get our 1000 pic and get out of here, why should we vote a union in that is going to take 2% of our pay"

More shortsighted words have never been spoken.

Newsflash: By accepting crap pay and work rules at Colgan, you are lowering your career earnings no mater where you go next. That is, if you are able to go on to another carrier.

Turbo

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

You guys have been brainwashed by the free lunch ALPA clones. You know what sold me was when I had a conversation with a lady who represented ALPA and was not a COlgan pilot and she told me how she defended the pilot who landed on a taxiway at EWR . Remember that story. Yeah well the pilot still flies. I am sorry but ALPA protected the weak in that situation and that is pathetic.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Colgan management will thank each and every colgan pilot for voting for managment. They will talk about the ability to deal directly with each one of you instead of a third party outsider (ALPA).

Good luck negotiating one on one with management guys. The only dealings you will have is 'they talk you listen, then you comply.........got KY?

Looks like it is time for Pack Vaseline.....

Since my days as a non-fancy lad are coming to an end, the time has come to address the new-hire classes of 1999. You'll have to play that creepy top-40 tune in your head as you read this, this version is called....

PACK VASELINE


Pack Vaseline in your flight kit. This is the only concrete advice I can give you. Studies have proven that packing Vaseline in your flight kit will ease the pain as any one of Hulas' monkey soldiers slides you the dry, sand-coated salami up where the sun don't shine while you're bent over some technicality or black-and-white self-serving interpretation of the rules while they whip you upside the head with their despicable yet unique lack of ethical behavior. Pack Vaseline, my friends.

The rest of my advice is simply the ramblings of another burned-out idiot Captain based on over three years of survival in the Aviation version of Shawshank.

Remember grandpa's rules for self defense: Deny, deny, deny, and make counter-accusations. Example: "I turned in that Irregularity Report on time, I did just what you said and slid it under the door after hours, I never break the rules, maybe YOUR staff lost the report!"

Always be polite. When you yell or get angry you just look like a jackass. It makes the rest of us look like idiots. Shouting and pissing contests are for the weak. Be passive-aggressive. Accept the reroute cheerfully on the in-range call then [very diplomatically] call in fatigued when you get in. Eventually they will get the point and stop messing with you. Think before you speak.

Make an effort to enjoy the flying. You are working at a commuter airline. Enjoy the VFR patters, circling, and non-towered operations. It may be the last time you experience these things in your career.

Stop whining. Your spouse doesn't like it, your parents don't like it, the F/O HATES it, and the Captain can barely tolerate your chicken-******************** rambling about low-pay and bad schedules. They don't ask garbage men during their interviews if they mind getting their hands dirty, they didn't ask you if you minded working at a commuter because that's where you just applied. Redirect your negative energy into something useful like volunteering for an ALPA position and fighting for change.

Maybe you'll pass training
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll bust upgrade,
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll be fired out of SVT,
Maybe you won't

But you will be expected to do a good job flying the line by other pilots.
And at some point management will accuse you of being part of a broad, far-reaching conspiracy-because they are bitter old losers. And the next telephone call could be USAirways calling to recruit you despite your on-the-job performance.

Don't be too proud to be flying your aircraft. Most of the passengers think that ATRs are the smallest thing they've ever been on. A Jetstream is bigger than a 152 or a Baron but remember folks it is just a Jetstream. Instead, wow yourself with being a really good First Officer. Fly your best whenever you can. Then you'll find upgrade isn't so bad after all.

Listen carefully to everything the old farts have to say. They may be eccentric, eclectic, or downright offensive -- but after you work for Hulas for 10 years you will be too. 10 years without getting fired or fed-up is pretty damn impressive. These guys will show you how to survive and have fun. But -
If they are overly negative don't be afraid to ask them to quit their job and get out of your seat.

Fill out the paperwork, it may save your ass someday. If you've been here more than 18 months and you haven't filled out an Irregularity form, Hotel Incident Report, Trip Report (at least six), or filed a Grievance then you just aren't with us, are you?

If you are single, date as many people as you can- taking advantage of your mobility. This will enrich your life beyond your wildest expectations. If you are married or steady with someone then don't cheat. This will destroy your life and add more stress than you can imagine.

Maybe you'll be fun to fly with
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll marry a pilot and have kids
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll overcome your gender-biased attitudes
I seriously doubt that
Maybe you will be able to control the frustration
Maybe you won't

But one thing's for certain - I hope to see all of you someday in the show.
The past three years were the best and the worst I could ask for.
And you all
should pack
Vaseline.
Good-bye and good luck!

-Austin Hondo

 

[SeaCow]

You guys have been brainwashed by the free lunch ALPA clones. You know what sold me was when I had a conversation with a lady who represented ALPA and was not a COlgan pilot and she told me how she defended the pilot who landed on a taxiway at EWR . Remember that story. Yeah well the pilot still flies. I am sorry but ALPA protected the weak in that situation and that is pathetic.

ALPA does not protect the week, they just give due process to everyone. George you seem to be confused as to who you work for, sure hope you dont confuse something on the job. Try reading Flying the Line.

 

[SeaCow]

And I'm sure George when you land the Q on that same taxiway, your gonna sing a different tune as your being thrusted ball deep by the Fed's and the Colgan family stands idle eating Ho-Ho's. A check airman on the Saab in the IAD system, very antiunion needs it more than anyone, considering while giving IOE he landed without clearance, so George it goes to show even you and your antiunion buddys that claim to be such rockstar pilots, will and do make mistakes.

 

[suupah]

ALPA lost. The colgan pilot group swayed just enough people to keep it off property. They win. Now lets see if they can get anything done. They have a year. The union drive won't fail twice.

 

[Kingzrt]

Good point Brother anyone who was spinless enough to vote no question. Will you work for any of the majors?????? Remember before you accept that brand new job with CAL, DAL UAL AA They are ALPA So you better hold on to your anti alpa flag S#itbag


Funny thing is he has no problem going to an ALPA carrier though. Imagine that....[/quote]

 

[Kingzrt]

Problem is not waiting a year its what we are all going to have to suffer through once the power changes hands in February. The union onboard prior to the change of power is what we needed now we will be a non union company working for a Union company where do we stand now with nobody going to bat for us?

Really thought it would pass, can't believe the pilots would think that voting for Alpa is the wrong way to go.

ALPA, although they suck in so many ways is better then nothing. The thought of some changes gave allot of us hope in some improvements long overdue.

I guess we will all see if the Colgan's looking at at 50% unsatisfactory rate will come up with something for the pilots who backed them...work rules and some industry standard rates on the q400 would be nice.

the ball is back in there court for the next year if the screw it up, next years vote is just 12 months away and I'm sure that people will be less sympathetic if they don't play nice in the sandbox.

disappointed but hopeful

 

[Kingzrt]

That is exactly why we need a union meat stick. We all have bad days tired, horny need a beer whatever the case may be if that happened to one of us ( a brain fart) after flying a 7 leg day, one would be on the street working for sanitation dept,
we all can't be perfect like you.

You guys have been brainwashed by the free lunch ALPA clones. You know what sold me was when I had a conversation with a lady who represented ALPA and was not a COlgan pilot and she told me how she defended the pilot who landed on a taxiway at EWR . Remember that story. Yeah well the pilot still flies. I am sorry but ALPA protected the weak in that situation and that is pathetic.

 

[Singlecoil]

That's probably hosted on a server at Ford & Harrison.

Domain Name.......... colganpilotgroup.com
Creation Date........ 2007-03-30
Registration Date.... 2007-03-30
Expiry Date.......... 2008-03-30
Organisation Name.... K Dean Bandavanis
Organisation Address. P O Box 99800
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. EmeryVille
Organisation Address. 94662
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US

 

[Godfather]

Silence Broken

A state of the Union address from the Godfather will be up shortly....

Don't worry Hellonewman....I won't send out any hits for those that didn't vote. And I just shoved that fat cigar up my @ss and I'm eating my crow if it makes you feel better.

My advice for the remaining OC people still at Colgan...GET OUT! and that goes for the rest of ya!
The Colgan Pilot Group (aka Colgan and Pinnacle Management) has you in their sites and you are next on the list. If they don't fire you right away, they'll get you on your next check ride. Just remember who the Colgan Pilot President is (DB) and what his position and power is. He has his orders and the hit list in his hands. So look out! Getting out right now is for your own good.

The Colgans would like nothing more than to make your life a living hell now for going against them and Pinnacle. To the victor come the spoils.

KY is on sale for $1.99 a tube at Wallie World so stock up if you are going to stay. You'll need it.

Good luck. Now get your resignation letters in now and go elsewhere where things are better. Believe me, the grass is much more greener on the other side.

This is my last post here at FI. It was great to have known you guys. Ceeeeeeyaaaaaa!!!!!

Goodbye farewell and Amen.