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[better up here]

OC member told me.

If you know any call them.


Thank them for the hard work.

only know one's number, and he has not called me back yet...thanks. i guess that's it then. hope southwest calls me soon...

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

Hey lets get on the side of democracy here. We had a vote and a majority did not want the union. You should support that. Now we take it from here. The Colgans still have their hands in what goes on and that is just fine with most of us. Once this changes then perhaps it is time for us to look into representation. Let us see what Pinnacle has in store for us first. I am sure if they treat us like crap we will get a union. With all the complaining that goes on it is interesting to see that a majority of the company is in support of the Colgans and life as we know it. Next time and I am sure there will be a next time there should be more senior people involved in the OC. Some Beech Fo telling me what is going on in the aviation industry while charming me with free chinese food just didn't cut it.

 

[70-SS]

It is ashame....I know many senior folks were against the union because they loved the favoritism from dot and mikey. reality shall smack them in the face when dot and mikey are gone. Also the out and backs they are used to will be gone. They will be happy campers commuting for their first time at colgan and get the lowest pay in the industy. have fun colgan lifers!!

Your right!!!!!!!!!!

 

[70-SS]

The Colgans still have their hands in what goes on and that is just fine with most of us. Once this changes then perhaps it is time for us to look into representation. Let us see what Pinnacle has in store for us first. I am sure if they treat us like crap we will get a union.

Go for it Dubya.

 

[LanceAir]

Once things start changing it will be too late to really do anything about it...

What Pinnacle has in store for us first? You obviously didn't do any research on Pinnacle and how their pilots are treated. Youre right, lets just kick back and see what happens...and when it does, I promise not to say I told you so...:uzi:

 

[TurboAWD]

Welcome to Pinnacle Corp. You are F'ed.

To all the guys in the right seat- only takes a few minutes to apply to Republic/Skywest/anywhere else.

Turbo

 

[70-SS]

Next time and I am sure there will be a next time there should be more senior people involved in the OC. Some Beech Fo telling me what is going on in the aviation industry while charming me with free chinese food just didn't cut it.

That Beech FO had more guts and industry vision than and senior saab pilot.


This vote failed because of selfishness!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fred Rogers]

Only 4 votes short. Such a shame. Time to LUBE UP colganites, cause the freight train just left the station and we are on the tracks.

A big thank you to the O.C. members. There were a few of you who got this whole ball rolling and should be commended. Too bad all your efforts were in vain.

Good luck all.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Some Beech Fo telling me what is going on in the aviation industry while charming me with free chinese food just didn't cut it.

I would trust any 6 month first officer who commutes to work to understand more about the industry than anyone who lives in most of the colgan bases and never leaves.

 

[HelloNewman]

LMFAO ALPO couldn't even get 155 votes at Colgan? Fred Rogers will you still be all those pilots neighbors? Godfather are you now going to hunt down the no voters and whack them? This is a loud and clear message that states pilots no longer have faith in ALPA. Decertification at other airlines both major and regional is surely to follow. In fact I would love to get the ball rolling in decertifying them at my new airline, have to wait til my year is up though.

Boy what happened to all that it will pass propoganda? Don't worry pilots always love free food so im sure ALPA will be welcome to campaign anytime at colgan as long as there is free food.

 

[Fred Rogers]

LMFAO ALPO couldn't even get 155 votes at Colgan? Fred Rogers will you still be all those pilots neighbors? Godfather are you now going to hunt down the no voters and whack them? This is a loud and clear message that states pilots no longer have faith in ALPA. Decertification at other airlines both major and regional is surely to follow. In fact I would love to get the ball rolling in decertifying them at my new airline, have to wait til my year is up though.

Boy what happened to all that it will pass propoganda? Don't worry pilots always love free food so im sure ALPA will be welcome to campaign anytime at colgan as long as there is free food.

Hey Newman, you want some free food?

Eat Me.

 

[70-SS]

A state of the Union address from the Godfather will be up shortly....

 

[70-SS]

Hey Newman, you want some free food?

Eat Me.

Eat me as well!!!

 

[HelloNewman]

Here is a new slogan. Instead of lets make it better here is a better one.

LIFE WITHOUT UNION DUES OR HARASSMENT, CAN'T BE BEAT!!

 

[i fly boxes]

I work for pinnacle, one of my old flight students works for colgan, I asked him last week if he had voted yet and he said no, I asked him what everyone was thinking and he replied "we are all at this airline to just get our 1000 pic and get out of here, why should we vote a union in that is going to take 2% of our pay" I asked him, what are you going to do if another 9-11 hits and you are now going to be at Colgan for another 5-10 years with no contract when the airlines are going to be looking for the cheapest operator. Be prepared colgan people, You are now in the hands of a management that violates our contract everyday, I can't imagine what they are going to do to you.

 

[HelloNewman]

I work for pinnacle, one of my old flight students works for colgan, I asked him last week if he had voted yet and he said no, I asked him what everyone was thinking and he replied "we are all at this airline to just get our 1000 pic and get out of here, why should we vote a union in that is going to take 2% of our pay" I asked him, what are you going to do if another 9-11 hits and you are now going to be at Colgan for another 5-10 years with no contract when the airlines are going to be looking for the cheapest operator. Be prepared colgan people, You are now in the hands of a management that violates our contract everyday, I can't imagine what they are going to do to you.

If another 9-11 happens why the hell would anyone make a career flying a turboprop? Most people would not stay for 5-10 years they would goto another career if the hiring dries up. BTW we saw what happened to the airline contracts post 9-11. NEXT

 

[flashman]

I work for pinnacle, one of my old flight students works for colgan, I asked him last week if he had voted yet and he said no, I asked him what everyone was thinking and he replied "we are all at this airline to just get our 1000 pic and get out of here, why should we vote a union in that is going to take 2% of our pay" I asked him, what are you going to do if another 9-11 hits and you are now going to be at Colgan for another 5-10 years with no contract when the airlines are going to be looking for the cheapest operator. Be prepared colgan people, You are now in the hands of a management that violates our contract everyday, I can't imagine what they are going to do to you.

Out of curiosity, what was his response to your question ?

 

[Kaman]

This is just in from www.colganpilotgroup.com

I'm at a loss to understand exactly what they think that they have "won". Keeping im mind that one of their founders is now in managment (D.B.). Also, keep in mind that they have NO legally binding contract negotiating power thru the NMB.
I would suggest that ALL Colgan pilots dial in on the routine Thursday "Chief Pilot" conference call and see what kind of "olive branch/carrot" managment is going to extend in the pilot's direction. I'd anticipate some type of pontificating about the future of the company and that Colgan Air will be the largest turboprop regional in the world in 5 years thanks to the "vision" of Colgan pilots for voting...NO, I mean NOT voting at all.
To those Colgan pilots that voted in the negative, I have no axe to grind. As far as I am concerned we can agree to disagree and go about our cockpit bantering, joking, checking out MILFs, etc...To those of you that didn't vote. I am going to ask that you respectfully keep your yap SHUT if you decide you want to complain. This is especially, the case after the Colganpilotgroup gets that .10 per diem raise and buys pizza at recurrent training as matter of company policy.
As for the future of Colgan Air. It is really an open question given the dynamics of the industry, economy and geopolitics. Personally, I think that ALPA would have stabilized the company to a great extent in a time when the company is trying to expand into a new aircraft type and implement a new strategic business plan. I am only guessing, but I think that attrition is going to run higher than the 20% that it ran over the past 7 months since the sale of the company. Perhaps, this is what PCL Holdings wants...A group of pilots that haven't been around CJC for any longer than 3-4 years in the left seat and 23 year old Euro-style MPL F/Os with less than THIRTY hours in an airplane!!! )I read the requirements for the ICAO MPL and it's downright scary!!!). These guys/gals will drink any flavor kool aid the company offers to get a job and pay off the Albatross following them around...(loans).
Finally, and by far NOT LEAST. Thanks to the guys in our Colgan Air Organizing Committee for all the time that they contributed to the effort to improve our quality of life, pay, work rules, etc... I wish that they all find success in their future.
Lastly, what transpires now, and how the PCL MEC acts/reacts? Well, it is effectively OUT OF OUR HANDS as of 1400 local DC time. It is going to be interesting to see what happens and what kind of wild ride we are in store for. In the meantime...FOCUS on flight safety...This IS NOT the time to let our guard down for one second in the cockpit.

Regards,

Ex-Navy Rotorhead





VICTORY!!!!!!


The Colgan Pilot Group is going into effect......... STBY for news.............

Remember its time to heal and reunite the pilot group. NO HATE, we are all one group together.

 

[70-SS]

I work for pinnacle, one of my old flight students works for colgan, I asked him last week if he had voted yet and he said no, I asked him what everyone was thinking and he replied "we are all at this airline to just get our 1000 pic and get out of here, why should we vote a union in that is going to take 2% of our pay" I asked him, what are you going to do if another 9-11 hits and you are now going to be at Colgan for another 5-10 years with no contract when the airlines are going to be looking for the cheapest operator. Be prepared colgan people, You are now in the hands of a management that violates our contract everyday, I can't imagine what they are going to do to you.

I have been saying this since day one. None of these people think it will happen to them.

Great post!! Forward thinking. Something this pilot group lacks.

 

[better up here]

Welcome to Pinnacle Corp. You are F'ed.

To all the guys in the right seat- only takes a few minutes to apply to Republic/Skywest/anywhere else.

Turbo

Agree...if you are a low time FO, get out now. You'll thank yourself later.

 

[70-SS]

If another 9-11 happens why the hell would anyone make a career flying a turboprop?

What are you talking about? I take it you were in junior high when 9-11 happened. It is easiser said then done to find a new career!!!

 

[70-SS]

This is just in from www.colganpilotgroup.com







VICTORY!!!!!!


The Colgan Pilot Group is going into effect......... STBY for news.............

Remember its time to heal and reunite the pilot group. NO HATE, we are all one group together.

Bunch of BS!!!!!!!

 

[70-SS]

Where was the Colgan Pilot Group after we were bought? It was formed be management and management suckups in response to the ALPA drive.

 

[Grey Ghost]

I'm with 70ss, that guy knows his ********************!!!! its too bad your crusty old lifers and your new hire fo's just pissed away any hope of QOL at colgan !! way to go guys!!!!!!!!:smash:

 

[vectorvictor]

I agree with Kaman. I have no axe to grind, but in the event that you voted against the union movement and you find yourself upset with your current employer; take a long good stare in the mirror and thank yourself.
VV

 

[Kingzrt]

Dude i am glad you are willing to wait to see what will happen when pinnacle takes over... Just look at their track record for accidents in this industry that should tell you something about how they will treat us. I am not willing to wait to see how much harder we are going to get it from the bent over position...i'm outta here on the first train..

Hey lets get on the

side of democracy here. We had a vote and a majority did not want the union. You should support that. Now we take it from here. The Colgans still have their hands in what goes on and that is just fine with most of us. Once this changes then perhaps it is time for us to look into representation. Let us see what Pinnacle has in store for us first. I am sure if they treat us like crap we will get a union. With all the complaining that goes on it is interesting to see that a majority of the company is in support of the Colgans and life as we know it. Next time and I am sure there will be a next time there should be more senior people involved in the OC. Some Beech Fo telling me what is going on in the aviation industry while charming me with free chinese food just didn't cut it.

 

[regionaltard]

This is just in from www.colganpilotgroup.com

That's probably hosted on a server at Ford & Harrison.

 

[SeaCow]

4 votes that is pretty funny. Actually really funny. Does this mean no more free lunchs?

Hey George Dubya, well see how funny it is when your getting hammard by the company day in and day out. Your no better than the 50.5% that voted no. A bunch of spinless liars kind of like yourself claiming you work for Colgan, you all just want to ride on the coat tails of those before you at your dream major made it what it was and im sure you all will be the first bunch of spinless liars to sign up for ALPA. Dave Behneke and Clany Savey gotta be rollin in there graves right about now. Good job lowering the bar once again Colgan.

 

[70-SS]

Good job lowering the bar once again Colgan.

Sorry to say your right bro!!!!

 

[70-SS]

Dude i am glad you are willing to wait to see what will happen when pinnacle takes over... I am not willing to wait to see how much harder we are going to get it from the bent over position...i'm outta here on the first train..

F^ck it. Go to Lowes.