B6 to Sell FIVE A-320s

[Mamma]

This discussion is about B6 selling planes. Not United.

Bottom line......

DN sees a cash crunch coming and needs to sell off planes to improve the short term balance sheet. It's not good any way you cut it. The added costs of adding a second fleet type are biting him in the ass more than he thought. The marginal increase in revenue with the RJ are not outweighing the long term costs of having 2 fleet types. He knows it and is trying to correct his major f-up.

I have a lot of friends at B6 and I hope it's successful but selling off planes when you are a brand new company is not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination.

You B6 guys are spinning the facts that the company is starting to lose money and DN is now concerned with maturation costs starting to creep up.

You cannot turn back the clock by selling off old planes. Be very weary.

Wrong. The bottom line is about slowing expansion and cutting costs. Better to learn from mistakes and proceed smartly then hang onto a sinking ship somehow hoping the leak will magically fix itself. By the way, check out the markets. Stock being upgraded and institutions are happy that JB is addressing their problems and turning the ship around.

 

[DH2WN]

By the way, check out the markets. Stock being upgraded and institutions are happy that JB is addressing their problems and turning the ship around.

Are you F-ing kidding me??? You know nothing of stock markets and market analysts if you are quoting them on the success of your company.

Most analysts could care less what you do 1 year from now let alone 1 month from now. They are looking for a quick increase in your stock price so they can dump you tomorrow and rate you in the opposite direction only to upgrade you the next day.

Try again.

 

[starvingredtail]

Are you F-ing kidding me??? You know nothing of stock markets and market analysts if you are quoting them on the success of your company.

Most analysts could care less what you do 1 year from now let alone 1 month from now. They are looking for a quick increase in your stock price so they can dump you tomorrow and rate you in the opposite direction only to upgrade you the next day.

Try again.

Yeah, but an upgrade is better than a downgrade, and it was you who chided us for not following the WSJ. Are you getting a little upset by this? You told me to follow the WSJ instead of USA Today, The WSJ raves about our long term future, and now you freak out. (I say freak out because you start out with "Are you F-ing kidding me???"--That just seems over dramatised) Who should we quote? 3210LT or DH2WN or JP4User? Hey...wait a minute, each of these screen names is a combination of numbers and letters. Each of these screen names writes with barely contained rage, over the top language, no humor to speak of and has body odor so bad, that it is discernable over the internet! Could you be the same person?

 

[starvingredtail]

Sparky??? Did you make that one up all by yourself? Real original. So you say you are not 32. I would have to assume Dave Seigel then. We have not seen him for awhile. Why the name change?
Lastly, about the thumb comment. Right. That is almost exactly what you said. "I don't help out at all. It denegrates the profession." So, METAPHORICALLY you sit around with your thumb in your ass. I just hope you don't suck it later considering all the whining you do.

That Sparky thing breaks me up. I just watched "Small Soliders" with my 6 year old and 3 year old. Tommy Lee Jones plays the part of "Chip Hazard", a toy solider who is stereotypicly a grizzled old veteran who leads a bunch of other specialized toy soliders. He comes off with all these great "grizzly old seargent" lines. When he was introduced to the communications toy solider, he called him "Sparky" and I started cracking up. My 6 year old wanted to know what was funny. I told him I knew someone who was trying to be like that toy and was not pulling it off very well. If you follow the movie at all, I guess you could say we B6 guys are kind of like the Gorgonites. A peace loving people who are persecuted by the cruel establishment. But I digress.

On the not helping out thing. Can you picture this guy at the country club trying to put on airs with local doctors and lawyers? Its sooo hard to get good help nowadays.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Are you F-ing kidding me??? You know nothing of stock markets and market analysts if you are quoting them on the success of your company.

Most analysts could care less what you do 1 year from now let alone 1 month from now. They are looking for a quick increase in your stock price so they can dump you tomorrow and rate you in the opposite direction only to upgrade you the next day.

Try again.

You may be right, but ease up. Since when have sw pilots on this forum gotten so anti-jb? LCCs need to stick together.

Sorry about dh, loved the js experience on them.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Premarket Movers: JetBlue Takes Off
Tuesday June 20, 9:22 am ET
Analyst Sees JetBlue As Turnaround Story, Sees Jump in Revenue This Summer


NEW YORK (AP) -- JetBlue Airways Corp. shares rose ahead of the opening bell Tuesday after Morgan Stanley called the discount airline a turnaround story, and said to expect revenue trends to surprise on the positive side this summer.

The brokerage restarted coverage of JetBlue with an "Overweight" rating. In addition, Continental Airlines Inc. and American Airlines' parent AMR Corp. were given an "Equal Weight," while Southwest Airlines Co. was given an "Underweight" rating.

William Greene, an analyst with Morgan Stanley, said JetBlue remains his "top airlines pick" in a report that put the airline sector as a whole at an "In-Line" rating. He said the "former industry darling is now a turnaround story" and that a "new focus on efficiency is leading a push to reduce costs in 2006."

Shares of the New York-based company rose 43 cents, or 3.7 percent, to $11.96 in premarket trading on the INET electronic exchange, after closing Monday at $11.53 on the Nasdaq. AMR edged up 11 cents to $24.62 on INET from its New York Stock Exchange close at $24.51, while Continental added 34 cents, to $27.24 on INET from their NYSE close at $26.90.

Apple Computer Inc. shares failed to bounce as speculation ramped up the company is in advanced talks with Hollywood studios toward a deal to bring feature film downloads to the iTunes Music Store. Sticking points are seen over pricing, and there are reports that studio executives have balked at a flat-rate model.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company's shares rose 38 cents to $57.58 after closing Monday at $57.20 on the Nasdaq.

Retailer Costco Wholesale Corp. shares moved higher before the bell after JPMorgan upped its rating to "Overweight" from "Neutral." Analyst Charles Grom said he had an "upbeat call" with the company, and believes the wholesaler is poised for higher margins and a stronger cash position.

"With the stock off roughly 8.1 percent from its 52-week high in early April, we want to own Costco before several positive catalysts begin to emerge in the second half," Grom said in the report.

He listed continued mid-to-high single earnings comparisons from year-ago results, margin expansion and "potential gasoline mix tailwinds by mid-Summer. Shares of the Issaquah, Wash.-based company rose $1.04 to $54.59 after closing Monday at $53.55 on the Nasdaq.

MasterCard Inc. shares moved higher after the company reported Monday that it scored a victory over a challenge to interchange fees in Europe. An industry appeals tribunal set aside a ruling by the U.K.'s competition watchdog that the fees impose on retail merchants by MasterCard violated European Union and British law.

Shares of the Purchase, N.Y.-based company rose 58 cents to $44.92 after closing at $44.34 on the NYSE.

 

[bluejuice787]

... and suddenly they shut up.

 

[starvingredtail]

Silence is golden.

 

[FDJ2]

Silence is golden.

You'll have to give it more than 18 minutes before you claim victory.

 

[Snoopy Mendoza]

Are you F-ing kidding me??? You know nothing

I found an image of some naive Flightinfo followers on a trek seeking the wisdom of the Great Branch DH2WN'ian leader. If you look closely at the top of the mountain you may catch a glimpse of the great one.

http://users.forthnet.gr/kal/eos/eos-page/taygetos/tayg-anavasi.jpg


Later...:beer:

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Another sign Jetblue is becoming a regular airline.

For nearly 10 years I watched this cycle of wallstreet analysts and business media pump my company then dump on it on about a 90 day cycle. I never had the money over the period to trade on their b.s. comments but could have made $$$ on the price swings. The same thing is happening with Jetblue.

Get real, do you really believe these guys? You'll find out if your CEO knows what he's doing soon enough if you're filling seats in your new markets. It doesn't mean chit what the analyst clowns say about how well the "like" the moves. It just some college business school project until you're filling seats.

 

[bluejuice787]

Another sign Jetblue is becoming a regular airline.

For nearly 10 years I watched this cycle of wallstreet analysts and business media pump my company then dump on it on about a 90 day cycle. I never had the money over the period to trade on their b.s. comments but could have made $$$ on the price swings. The same thing is happening with Jetblue.

Get real, do you really believe these guys? You'll find out if your CEO knows what he's doing soon enough if you're filling seats in your new markets. It doesn't mean chit what the analyst clowns say about how well the "like" the moves. It just some college business school project until you're filling seats.

Damn...I knew it couldn't last. Well thanks for setting us straight. Time to go kick the dog.

 

[DH2WN]

You may be right, but ease up. Since when have sw pilots on this forum gotten so anti-jb? LCCs need to stick together.

Sorry about dh, loved the js experience on them.

Ease up? I can't get enough of people like this. I'll say it again for the terminally illiterate. I want my friends at jetBlue to succeed but when people start quoting analysts as gospel that's a true ostrich with his head in the sand. However, I believe he is just completely uneducated and praying for the best outcome. Anyone making $30 an hour probably doesn't follow the markets except his own company.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Ease up? I can't get enough of people like this. I'll say it again for the terminally illiterate. I want my friends at jetBlue to succeed but when people start quoting analysts as gospel that's a true ostrich with his head in the sand. However, I believe he is just completely uneducated and praying for the best outcome. Anyone making $30 an hour probably doesn't follow the markets except his own company.

terminally illiterate (need I read and track every post you make?)
gospel (who mentioned a gospel? i thought mamma stated an opinion.)
completely uneducated (why would anyone be a pilot if they were educated?)

Dude, you went from 29 dollar fares to 69 dollar fares, but the arrogance you picked up from Dulles to Dallas is freakin' priceless.

 

[JP4user]

You'll have to give it more than 18 minutes before you claim victory.

It was kind of desperate wasn't it?

 

[JP4user]

Can you picture this guy at the country club trying to put on airs with local doctors and lawyers?

At least I can afford the membership at the country club. What can you afford with the 190 wage rates? The YMCA? Or is it the YWCA for you? Are both of them out of your financial reach?

Maybe you could offer your janitorial expertise for a break on the membership dues.

 

[JP4user]

I have about 400 hrs now with blue and i have to admit i think my block time for cabin cleaning might be just under an hour.. by the time i get out of the flightdeck and say my goodbyes to our customers there is only enough time left to take the bag off the co pilots armrest and walk back maybe the first 10 rows and toss some left over cups and headsets.. thats it no more no less..

All it takes is a little cooperation between the cabin crews and the four day trip goes great.

I have flown with a captain who is known for treating the cabin crew like crap and refuses to do anything extra.. My two days with him sucked.. I will take the team approach anytime..

It is funny how the guys that don't work here obsess over the " 5 yr contract " and " cabin cleaning" It is really quite amusing because at blue it is never discussed.


32Lt and JP4 please feel free to pick this post apart and quote it as necessary for the benefit of your regular scheduled bashfest

400 hundred hours...well now that explains a lot. No wonder you want to clean. Hard enough worrying about getting your 5 year deal renewed let alone getting off probation.

Thanks for the material

 

[JP4user]

The pin heads always see the down side in everything.

Or the truth depending on ones desperation factor.

 

[JP4user]

Did SWA pilots fly those?
.

PSA flew them on a wet lease.

 

[JP4user]

Sparky??? Did you make that one up all by yourself? Real original. So you say you are not 32. I would have to assume Dave Seigel then. We have not seen him for awhile. Why the name change?

I did not ignore your post about union protection either. It is not in JBLU's interest to have a union on property so I think they will probably dance just short of the line where a union would be looked at. What mgmt wouldn't? But that being said, pay will go up soon. By the way, you should ask the bubbas over at NWA, DAL, UA, Eastern, Peidmont, US Air, ALK, Braniff and tons of others how ALPA hooked them up. When times are down you are basically screwed...union or no union. How many JB pilots are on the street after their losses? I invite you to start your own thread when that happens.

Lastly, about the thumb comment. Right. That is almost exactly what you said. "I don't help out at all. It denegrates the profession." So, METAPHORICALLY you sit around with your thumb in your ass. I just hope you don't suck it later considering all the whining you do.

What is this Smurf fixation about screen names? Is the reason you and some of your ilk so concerned about basshing that there just might possible be more than one person out there shaking their head at the cult mentality over there?

Your point about the union is well taken but you misapplied what I was saying. I agree ALPA has hosed numerous pilots and the cancer there will be corrected with a regime change and some new blood. That being said, I'd rather having ALPA protecting pilots on their worst days rather than some handshake agreement you live under. How is your aeromedical department for example? Where are the JB pilots voices or mechanisms to promote safety concerns of fight the FAA on a national level? The only taste in my mouth about safety issue from Smurfland (changed that so you won't have an coronary thinking I'm 32) was trying to obliterate duty and flight time regs.

Don't throw stones in glass houses about no JB pilots on the street yet. Super Dave has already hinted about more asset sales including aircraft.
A couple of more quarters of losses should be interesting.

You mentioned a lot of Bubbas on the street from ALPA. Would you like to compare the numbers of ruined careers and broken promises from the multitudes of failed experiment airlines JB is patterned after? i.e. Low cost. We could talk about Morris Air to start with. Take advantage of that open door policy over there and ask him just how that operation was about to go TU before Southwest took them on.

About the thumb Sparky, does that mean I would METAPHORICALLY be sucking it as well? All the good time I missed out by not playing tidy boy. Oh the agony.

 

[JP4user]

I just had to drop the ignore.

Again? What is this the third or fourth time? A little OCD there Sparky?

And then I see this. I am........crushed.......humilated by my past. I will once again be condemmed to emptying trash and cleaning floors for minimum wage.

You shouldn't be. What you should be humiliated about is using your past to justify your present and future job description. And what do mean once again? You are already condemmed to doing this type of janitorial work now.

Because, by JP4user's standard, I am dirt.

Not just by my standards, but by professional pilots everywhere in the airline industry. Many laugh about this particular notion you and others vainly try to rationalize and then respond with histronics when someone laughs about it.

Of course, JP4 has learned that as 3210LT, he should never divuldge information about his past or his current company, because then others could point to how his particular situation has contributed to the "downfall of the industry".

It really makes no difference, but that sure seems to bother some of the more sensitive Smurfs. At the end of the day I really don't care how you prostitute yourselves.

What is this fixation about 32? Did he do that much damage to your psychological well being. You keep bringing it up so much I have to question it.

JP4 has positioned himself as a sucessfull pilot in a mysterious position above any involvement in this industry's current position. This allows him to throw stones from a position of protection. Quite cowardly.

If speaking the truth that elicits your responses is cowardly than call me a coward. Sometimes the truth is a difficult thing to accept. I know it must be for you becasue you chaulk it up like this.

Nothing mysterious at all Sparky (I know how much you love being called that seeing as how you have devoted 7 posts just becasue of the word).

I took a lump sum amoun that would bring a tear to your eye, bailed and am flying a large corporate aircraft which pays far in excess of the top Blue wages. That is all the info you're going to get or need to know. One of the reasons I did bail is this industry is rotting from within from those who suffer from SJS, PFT kids and others who jump at the chance to work for whatever crumbs are thrown your way. Like on your 190's for example.

Anyhow, if my fate is to return to the broom and bucket, it will be because B6 failed.

Look at the bright side, you are still maintaining currency if it happens.

If B6 fails, I will at least have worked for a company that has tried a different approach to the industry. So far they have been truthfull and forthcoming and actually employs leadership by example.

So far the experiment is starting to show some real cracks. I know you guys didn't need any Viagra for the last few days after seeing your stock go up a tad (what was it trading for last year?) However is this new approach you mentioned selling aircraft that produce revenue becasue they are coming up on heavy checks and replace them with ones that cost 3 times as much?

Some approach you have there. Or is the approach to stray away from a proven LCC model and deploy an Embraer product and subsidize the high costs by paying lousy rates on it? You are right though about one thing with their truth and honesty. They told you the rates whether you liked it or not. Is anohter facet of this approach about signing a 5 year contract so they can get rid of you if you don't play ball and clean cabins or other cult like job descriptions?

JP4, were you the guy in class who always thought you were saying funny, cutting things and then ended up being the only guy laughing at your remarks?

No wrong guy. Sounds like another one slipped through the cracks in your HR process. Was your entire class filled with this type including yourself? From your posts it would seem so.

 

[bluejuice787]

At least I can afford the membership at the country club. What can you afford with the 190 wage rates? The YMCA? Or is it the YWCA for you? Are both of them out of your financial reach?

Maybe you could offer your janitorial expertise for a break on the membership dues.

Is your self worth directly proportionate to your pay check? Or is it the being in the cockpit of an airliner? Personally I place a great deal of emphasis on integrity whether janitor or mailman.

My instincts tell me that you have very little intergrity. Perhaps some time down at the YMCA would do you good...get down and dirty with some of us colorful types.

 

[bluejuice787]

And I bet you did it all with your mirrored Ray Bans and cool that made all the ladies crazy.

 

[JP4user]

And I bet you did it all with your mirrored Ray Bans and cool that made all the ladies crazy.

None of those seems to work. I think the plaid polyester pants did it every time.

Funny you mentioned mirrored Ray Bans. One of your guys was groveling for a jumpseat on an airplane we were airlining to reposition the other day.

I'll bet you would never guess what kind of shades was hanging from his shirt pocket.

 

[JP4user]

Is your self worth directly proportionate to your pay check? Or is it the being in the cockpit of an airliner? Personally I place a great deal of emphasis on integrity whether janitor or mailman.

My instincts tell me that you have very little intergrity. Perhaps some time down at the YMCA would do you good...get down and dirty with some of us colorful types.

Sparky ( I use that term for you slower Smurfs) he brought it up first. I am truly sorry for you if the honest answer illicited this type of response.

Too bad you didn't place the same amount of integrity for your own sense of self worth and profession.

 

[Uppercrust]

Does Jetblue train you on how to clean the airplane during indoc? Like, do you go out to a real airplane and clean it? No flame intended, just curious.

 

[starvingredtail]

At least I can afford the membership at the country club. What can you afford with the 190 wage rates? The YMCA? Or is it the YWCA for you? Are both of them out of your financial reach?

Maybe you could offer your janitorial expertise for a break on the membership dues.

I just had to drop the ignore. And then I see this. I am........crushed.......humilated by my past. I will once again be condemmed to emptying trash and cleaning floors for minimum wage. Because, by JP4user's standard, I am dirt. Of course, JP4 has learned that as 3210LT, he should never divuldge information about his past or his current company, because then others could point to how his particular situation has contributed to the "downfall of the industry". JP4 has positioned himself as a sucessfull pilot in a mysterious position above any involvement in this industry's current position. This allows him to throw stones from a position of protection. Quite cowardly. Anyhow, if my fate is to return to the broom and bucket, it will be because B6 failed. If B6 fails, I will at least have worked for a company that has tried a different approach to the industry. So far they have been truthfull and forthcoming and actually employs leadership by example.
JP4, were you the guy in class who always thought you were saying funny, cutting things and then ended up being the only guy laughing at your remarks? Oh yeah, then as now you were not perseptive enough to know or care.
NEW STANDARD DISCLAIMER:
1. 190 rates are low. B6 leadership knows this and I trust them to fix it like they did 320 pay. They have a track record for doing what is right.
2. Cleaning the cabin is a different thought process. But no different than helping your loadmaster with a quick turn in the military. Its a Leadership/teamwork thing I am surprised more folks don't understand. (and hot young FA's smell better than loadmasters and their smiles of appreciation warm my old heart) I am sorry that JP4user did not understand leadership while he served in the military. Some never get it. (p.s. we do not clean the $hitters)
3. Contract/No Union--Screw ALPA. Paid dues for 8 years at NWA and recieved nothing because I was so junior. Good leadership at B6 goes a long way. The worst day at B6 is far better than a good day at ALPA.

Now I return you to your previously scheduled B6 bashfest.(bash fest?)

 

[JP4user]

I guess I am not on ignore anymore. LMAO

I just had to drop the ignore. And then I see this. I am........crushed.......humilated by my past. I will once again be condemmed to emptying trash and cleaning floors for minimum wage. Because, by JP4user's standard, I am dirt. Of course, JP4 has learned that as 3210LT, he should never divuldge information about his past or his current company, because then others could point to how his particular situation has contributed to the "downfall of the industry". JP4 has positioned himself as a sucessfull pilot in a mysterious position above any involvement in this industry's current position. This allows him to throw stones from a position of protection. Quite cowardly. Anyhow, if my fate is to return to the broom and bucket, it will be because B6 failed. If B6 fails, I will at least have worked for a company that has tried a different approach to the industry. So far they have been truthfull and forthcoming and actually employs leadership by example.
JP4, were you the guy in class who always thought you were saying funny, cutting things and then ended up being the only guy laughing at your remarks? Oh yeah, then as now you were not perseptive enough to know or care.
NEW STANDARD DISCLAIMER:
1. 190 rates are low. B6 leadership knows this and I trust them to fix it like they did 320 pay. They have a track record for doing what is right.
2. Cleaning the cabin is a different thought process. But no different than helping your loadmaster with a quick turn in the military. Its a Leadership/teamwork thing I am surprised more folks don't understand. (and hot young FA's smell better than loadmasters and their smiles of appreciation warm my old heart) I am sorry that JP4user did not understand leadership while he served in the military. Some never get it. (p.s. we do not clean the $hitters)
3. Contract/No Union--Screw ALPA. Paid dues for 8 years at NWA and recieved nothing because I was so junior. Good leadership at B6 goes a long way. The worst day at B6 is far better than a good day at ALPA.

Now I return you to your previously scheduled B6 bashfest.(bash fest?)

This is the best you can do? Regurgitate your old post. I'd reply with the same response but why waste the bandwidth?

Uppercrust had a good question. Can you answer it? Are yo giving IOE in cabin cleaning? With your janitorial background you would be a shoe in.

 

[JP4user]

Does Jetblue train you on how to clean the airplane during indoc? Like, do you go out to a real airplane and clean it?

They try to but who knows. The one scheduled for cleaning IOE with StarvingBLUEtail may get sold out from under them.

 

[starvingredtail]

Again? What is this the third or fourth time? A little OCD there Sparky?


You shouldn't be. What you should be humiliated about is using your past to justify your present and future job description. And what do mean once again? You are already condemmed to doing this type of janitorial work now.


Not just by my standards, but by professional pilots everywhere in the airline industry. Many laugh about this particular notion you and others vainly try to rationalize and then respond with histronics when someone laughs about it.



It really makes no difference, but that sure seems to bother some of the more sensitive Smurfs. At the end of the day I really don't care how you prostitute yourselves.

What is this fixation about 32? Did he do that much damage to your psychological well being. You keep bringing it up so much I have to question it.


If speaking the truth that elicits your responses is cowardly than call me a coward. Sometimes the truth is a difficult thing to accept. I know it must be for you becasue you chaulk it up like this.

Nothing mysterious at all Sparky (I know how much you love being called that seeing as how you have devoted 7 posts just becasue of the word).

I took a lump sum amoun that would bring a tear to your eye, bailed and am flying a large corporate aircraft which pays far in excess of the top Blue wages. That is all the info you're going to get or need to know. One of the reasons I did bail is this industry is rotting from within from those who suffer from SJS, PFT kids and others who jump at the chance to work for whatever crumbs are thrown your way. Like on your 190's for example.



Look at the bright side, you are still maintaining currency if it happens.

If B6 fails, I will at least have worked for a company that has tried a different approach to the industry. So far they have been truthfull and forthcoming and actually employs leadership by example.

So far the experiment is starting to show some real cracks. I know you guys didn't need any Viagra for the last few days after seeing your stock go up a tad (what was it trading for last year?) However is this new approach you mentioned selling aircraft that produce revenue becasue they are coming up on heavy checks and replace them with ones that cost 3 times as much?

Some approach you have there. Or is the approach to stray away from a proven LCC model and deploy an Embraer product and subsidize the high costs by paying lousy rates on it? You are right though about one thing with their truth and honesty. They told you the rates whether you liked it or not. Is anohter facet of this approach about signing a 5 year contract so they can get rid of you if you don't play ball and clean cabins or other cult like job descriptions?




No wrong guy. Sounds like another one slipped through the cracks in your HR process. Was your entire class filled with this type including yourself? From your posts it would seem so.

.....Dude,
The funniest part of this is giving you a re run and watching you screw yourself into the ceiling. Since you are so rich, I shouldn't make you mad, because your country club might use my new janitor for hire services. Just watch the WSJ and weep Sparky, because I am a firm believer that it was your negative Karma that is putting us back in a decient financial position. Keep that hate coming until your anuerism bursts.
Blue to you,
SRT