B19 Flyer

[doh]

A question came up at my non union company. It was asked if a pay cut could prevent the layoffs that recently occured. The answer was "no". But that doesn't fit with your "the union is always to blame for layoffs because they won't take concessions" mantra. So I geuss you will just ignore that one. You really are out there.

 

[1folinepilot]

B-19 Bob or Ed who ever you are, your statement "Unions love to negotiate in public, companies don't do that. " caught my attention. Why will you not post what the company is offering for a contract? What are you hiding? We all know what our Union is asking of the company, so what are you hiding?

 

[Freedom]

Still ignored by Bob19.....

Is the FACT that of all 4 Major Jet Fractional providers, the ONLY one not to furlough its Pilots is the one with a Contract: NetJets.

That does not mean furloughs might not happen in the future if things get bad enough in the economy, but it certainly presents an interesting point.

When Pilots are treated well, and respected by their Management, even if getting to that point needed to be forced by an Industry Leading COntract, is it not possible the company will actually do better than before the CBA?

I submit to you that it is. We are not flying around airliners here with FAs in the back. The Pilots at a Fractional, to the Customer, are the Company.

Happy Pilots make for Happy Customers, more refererals from those satisfied customers, and a spiraling upward spin towards industry domination.

Said in another word: NetJets.


Submitted by a former Flight Options Pilot.

Good Luck my Brothers.

And remember:

Freedom is Not Free. It must be earned.

 

[doh]

It would appear that, caught in the web of lies he has spun, B19 is silenced at last. At least until the next web can be spun.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

It would appear that, caught in the web of lies he has spun, B19 is silenced at last. At least until the next web can be spun.

He's always silent on my ignore list....
Maybe he got the ax?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

There has been a lot of union talk on the majors board lately. I wonder why we haven't heard a peep from ol' B over there........

Ford & Harrison likely has others over there. We have our own personal, fracs dedicated troll here. Perhaps our beloved company is bouncing his checks so maybe he'll finally disappear.

 

[gunfyter]

Article for 19

The Axis of Excess BY JOE BRANCATELLI April 24

 

[ultrarunner]

Is the FACT that of all 4 Major Jet Fractional providers, the ONLY one not to furlough its Pilots is the one with a Contract: NetJets.

There's a ton of pilots on the street that would gladly point out to you their CBA did not prevent them from getting furloughed!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Get the whole story...

The Axis of Excess BY JOE BRANCATELLI April 24

You don't find the humor of him leaving out that the exact same guys were heros to the unions when they made record profits only 4 years earlier and that unions were able to secure massive industry leading contracts as a result?

Or that those contracts weighed each carrier down to the point where they all collapsed to near and into bankruptcy at the same time as they were whining about high CEO pay?

Two sides.. you guys always forget that when you place these posts in here.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It would appear that, caught in the web of lies he has spun, B19 is silenced at last. At least until the next web can be spun.

Not quite...And I've never written any lies. I don't belong to a union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

The union doesn't care.

Is the FACT that of all 4 Major Jet Fractional providers, the ONLY one not to furlough its Pilots is the one with a Contract: NetJets.

That does not mean furloughs might not happen in the future if things get bad enough in the economy, but it certainly presents an interesting point.

When Pilots are treated well, and respected by their Management, even if getting to that point needed to be forced by an Industry Leading COntract, is it not possible the company will actually do better than before the CBA?

I submit to you that it is. We are not flying around airliners here with FAs in the back. The Pilots at a Fractional, to the Customer, are the Company.

Happy Pilots make for Happy Customers, more refererals from those satisfied customers, and a spiraling upward spin towards industry domination.

Said in another word: NetJets.


Submitted by a former Flight Options Pilot.

Good Luck my Brothers.

And remember:

Freedom is Not Free. It must be earned.

I haven't ignored it. What I've stated is that the one with the industry leading contract is going to fall the hardest when it falls.

I've also asked repeatedly, will the union make the choice of jobs over paycuts?

The CBA isn't going to protect anybody. When it dries up and the cuts begin, the rank and file workers that NJW stated could have had flying careers if they wanted will get hit first and the hardest. Then, when that pool of cash dries up, the line pilots will get hit next because they will no longer be able to state that everybody needs to share in the pain. In reality, those rank and file folks always get hit the hardest in times like these. The union doesn't care.

 

[Freedom]

Thanks for reposting my Post Bob19....

Putting your weak argument up against mine for all to see says more than I could possibly say in a response.

You just made my case stronger, by reaching for straws.

Thank You.


Freedom is Not Free

 

[B19 Flyer]

Putting your weak argument up against mine for all to see says more than I could possibly say in a response.

You just made my case stronger, by reaching for straws.

Thank You.


Freedom is Not Free

What, the fact the the non-union fracs were able to adjust to the slipping economy quicker thus protecting more jobs down the road than the union carrier was able to?

When the cuts happen at NJ, and unfortunately they will... the high cost of the CBA will double the number of overall (union and non-union) job cuts than it would have if NJ could have begun the process earlier like the others have.

This backs my theory that a company without a CBA can adjust quicker and faster, thus the ENTIRE company is protected rather than one individual work group.

It's not a weak argument, it's one based in fact.

It's a little early in the game to be gloating, but union members like to do that. I'll be sure to remind you when it happens, and those non-union fracs are going to be a lot more stable for the entire workforce when it happens.

As a company, NJ will remain strong, however for the worker, NJ will suffer more than the others directly as a result of the CBA.

Thank you for supporting MY case with YOUR weak argument.

Case in point, Delta's ability to stave off bankruptcy or near bankruptcy for two years longer than the others with minimal impact on the overall workforce because they were the least unionized legacy carrier.

 

[wacoflyr]

Troll baiting. This thread takes an age old flightinfo game to new levels.

Wacoflyr

 

[fischman]

It's not a weak argument, it's one based in fact.

It is a weak argument. It's not based on fact. It's based on your opinion.

Managment reiterated it's stance on no furloughs at NetJets by the way. Who's telling you we are going to furlough? You might want to check your sources (unless his initials are RTS).