Awa Merger

[ifly2slo]

Letter to Poolies . . .


Good afternoon,

First of all, thank you for your patience over the last couple of months. I know you have been eagerly awaiting updated information regarding possible class dates. I do have some updated information that I'd like to share with you.

At this time, all previously scheduled new hire classes have been cancelled through October 2005. We do not have any information available regarding the hiring plan for the remainder of the year at this time. As that information becomes available to us, we will communicate it to you.

Undoubtedly, there is a lot of anxiety about the future of the applicants in the pool in light of the announcement that America West intends to merge with US Airways. At this point, we have merely announced our intent to merge. We anticipate the approval and closing of the proposed merger will occur sometime this fall. Having said that, we do not know if or how the merger will affect our plans for pilot hiring. Many of you have been asking questions regarding this subject, and we simply don't have an answer at this time since the merger has not yet been approved. If you have any questions regarding the merger, please visit our website at www.americawest.com. The
press release along with other important information is posted on our site. Be sure to check out the combined America West/US Air route map to see all of the exciting destinations we will be serving!

At this time, we are going to maintain our pilot candidate pool for future
hiring needs. Without any confirmed class dates, we realize that there is a lot of uncertainty. We completely understand that you may have to make decisions that are in your best interests regarding your career. Therefore, if you choose to withdraw from the pool, you can do so and it will not count against you in any way. However, you will have to go through the application and interview process again if you are interested in employment opportunities at some point down the road. If you are in a position to wait for a class date assignment, we would highly encourage that you do so. America West has an exciting future ahead and we would love for you to be a part of our team.

On another note, it is with mixed emotions that I have to tell you that I
have accepted a position outside of America West. My last day with the company will be on June 1st. It was such a pleasure meeting and working with all of you! I wish you all the best of luck in your careers! If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly prior to June 1st. Your contacts after that date will be Tammy Kimm, Pilot Coordinator at 480.xxx.xxxx and Tracy Takara, Recruitment Manager at 480.xxx.xxxx.

Please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns that you may have!

Kind regards,

Tiffany Berry
Pilot Recruiter
Recruitment, Selection, and Staffing
America West Airlines

 

[aroundtheblock]

A poolie is not hired until he's on the property. His date of hire does not state when he was placed in the pool, but when he actually starts.

 

[Cactus73]

Letter to Poolies . . .
America West has an exciting future ahead and we would love for you to be a part of our team.

On another note, it is with mixed emotions that I have to tell you that I
have accepted a position outside of America West. My last day with the company will be on June 1st. It was such a pleasure meeting and working with all of you! I wish you all the best of luck in your careers! If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly prior to June 1st. Your contacts after that date will be Tammy Kimm, Pilot Coordinator at 480.xxx.xxxx and Tracy Takara, Recruitment Manager at 480.xxx.xxxx.

Please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns that you may have!

Kind regards,

Tiffany Berry
Pilot Recruiter
Recruitment, Selection, and Staffing
America West Airlines

Am I the only one that thinks this is funny?

She has this letter bragging about how great the merger will be and then in the next paragraph she's jumping ship!

She's not even willing to wait this thing out yet she's trying to convince you to wait.

 

[ifly2slo]

Maybe she got canned since they won't be needing a pilot recruiter anymore.

 

[nitrogen]

Good one

Supposedly, the Foolies in the Poolie should be in class at or before the end of summer with possible hiring off of the street before the year is over.

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THATS A GOOD ONE

DELUSIONAL.

AWA is a bout to suffer a meltdown if this goes through. Expect a virtual revolt. You're gonna see AWA pilots hitting the streets if this goes through.

Hiring off the street? Are you insane? Do you know how many US Air pilots are on furlough? You're either delusional or ridiculously ignorant.

 

[Cactus73]

AWA is a bout to suffer a meltdown if this goes through. Expect a virtual revolt. You're gonna see AWA pilots hitting the streets if this goes through.

Hiring off the street? Are you insane? Do you know how many US Air pilots are on furlough? You're either delusional or ridiculously ignorant.

Wow, you are quite the airline expert.

Tell me why you think AWA pilots are going to be "hitting" the streets if this goes through.

We are losing 10 airplanes by December 31. We are taking 13 Airbus through 06 for a net of 3 airplanes. Management has stated no furloughs due to this.

USAir is losing the remainder of the planes through 06. It isn't likely that furloughed USAir guys are going to return in order to send AWA guys to the street.

 

[nitrogen]

Come back to reality

If this merger goes through not one AWA poolie will ever set foot on the property and many current AWA employees are going to lose their jobs. That should be obvious to everyone. Their pilot recruiter got fired for a good reason. Wake up. Thhis thing is the worst thing that could ever happen to an AWA employee. The ALPA policy of seniority integration is gonna get pressed and the AWA pilots are screwed on that. Funny that a bankrupt carrier could pull this screw job off.

 

[Cactus73]

If this merger goes through not one AWA poolie will ever set foot on the property and many current AWA employees are going to lose their jobs. That should be obvious to everyone. Their pilot recruiter got fired for a good reason. Wake up. Thhis thing is the worst thing that could ever happen to an AWA employee. The ALPA policy of seniority integration is gonna get pressed and the AWA pilots are screwed on that. Funny that a bankrupt carrier could pull this screw job off.

1. I'm not talking about the people in the pool. They are probably screwed.

2. Give me facts that the pilot recruiter was fired. Her letter just states that she's leaving for an outside job. AWA doesn't exactly pay their management people competitive wages.

3. Tell me about the ALPA "policy of seniority integration." I've read Section 45 of the ALPA administration manual many times and it doesn't list DOH anywhere in it (which I am assuming by "AWA pilots are screwed on that" is what you mean).

4. How did the bankrupt carrier pull this "screw job off." It hasn't been approved and the Union's haven't even begun to talk.

 

[nitrogen]

Dummbbbbilena

Well lets see. The combined carrier will have about 60 fewer aircraft than the two separately have now. Thats an initial estimate. Add the fact that a combining of the overlap will shrink it even more and its a virtual guarantee that some current employess are going to lose their jobs. It isn't speculation it's simple math. The most hilarious part is the gross disparagy that exists between the bottom US AW guy and the bottom AWA guy. The only way AWA pilots wouldnt get screwed is if this was a buyout. That would preserve their career expectations. In a merger they get creamed. Period. AWA pilots are toast.

Wow, you are quite the airline expert.

Tell me why you think AWA pilots are going to be "hitting" the streets if this goes through.

We are losing 10 airplanes by December 31. We are taking 13 Airbus through 06 for a net of 3 airplanes. Management has stated no furloughs due to this.

USAir is losing the remainder of the planes through 06. It isn't likely that furloughed USAir guys are going to return in order to send AWA guys to the street.

 

[Soulfly]

Nitrogen, you need to lay off the nitrous man.

I know Tiffany personally, and this had nothing to do with the merger. Period. She was not fired, you need to keep your mouth shut about things you know absolutely nothing about.

ALPA policy of seniority integration. DOH is not part of ALPA's merger policy. That was removed.

The status of furloughed USair guys will be determined at the negotiating table or through arbitration.


Peace....

 

[nitrogen]

Simple

The combining of the two carriers is a merger. It should be a buyout. Thats the only thing that could save AWA career expectations. Under a merger agreement AWA loses major leverage. Look at past mergers among ALPA carriers. If its a merger and you're both ALPA, DOH might not be the end of the tale, but close. It will run along those lines. Which is absurd for a non bankrupt carrier when merging with a bankrupt one. But it won't matter. It's all about what you each bring to the table.. On that basis its about even, maybe even slanted in US AW favor. They have the east coast routes. Reality is lost.

BTW, what is the post merger name of this carrier gonna be??

Oh, thats right US Airways.

Yeah, you'll do well.

LOL.

1. I'm not talking about the people in the pool. They are probably screwed.

2. Give me facts that the pilot recruiter was fired. Her letter just states that she's leaving for an outside job. AWA doesn't exactly pay their management people competitive wages.

3. Tell me about the ALPA "policy of seniority integration." I've read Section 45 of the ALPA administration manual many times and it doesn't list DOH anywhere in it (which I am assuming by "AWA pilots are screwed on that" is what you mean).

4. How did the bankrupt carrier pull this "screw job off." It hasn't been approved and the Union's haven't even begun to talk.

 

[nitrogen]

Yeah, you're right

In fact, Tiffany was actually informed her position wouldnt need to exist anymore so she "opted for greener pastures". What the heck is the difference how you posture it. The bottom line is that after this AWA will never have a need for a pilot recruiter ever again. Trust me.

Nitrogen, you need to lay off the nitrous man.

I know Tiffany personally, and this had nothing to do with the merger. Period. She was not fired, you need to keep your mouth shut about things you know absolutely nothing about.

ALPA policy of seniority integration. DOH is not part of ALPA's merger policy. That was removed.

The status of furloughed USair guys will be determined at the negotiating table or through arbitration.


Peace....

 

[Cactus73]

For the LAST TIME, the NAME OF THE AIRLINE makes no difference!

According to court documents, USAirway's will be brought into America West Holdings under the Barbell name. Current AWA management will control the 13 member board with a majority.

Yes, this is a merger, but you predicting what an arbitrator will find is crazy.

BTW, AWA brings a profitable and growing airline to the table. Yes, growing. Even with the ten airplanes leaving, we are getting 13 new Airbus by the end of 06.

I suggest you read some of the court documents to better understand this deal. I have been reading them and they are quite revealing in the plan behind this deal.

 

[Captain Overs]

I'm actually surprised that the US Airways name is going to survive. America West has not had the best history with name recognition. Sit around and hear people talk at the airport and you hear "America Worst". But keeping US Airways? I think they should have opted for a new name altogether. But what do I know?

 

[PositiveRate]

Nitrogen is a flamer. Stop biting...it's not worth it.

 

[nitrogen]

What?

I don't need to predict what an arbitrator will find. I know the setup going in. It's a merger. All mergers are based upon past mergers under ALPA rules. As will this one. US AW will be given at least equal footing in what value they bring to the table. Based on that if you look at all the past ALPA mergers and how they were integrated it doesnt take a crystal ball to know how this one will turn out.

Why do you think this will go to an arbitrator? I think that is highly unlikely. The one thing that could derail this the most is a drawn out squabble between the unions that ends up having to go to arbitration. No, this thing will be settled by the union leadership. And it won't be pretty for AWA. US AW just has too many long suffering employees to take a back seat to AWA in a merger. They're gonna get credit for their longevity at US AW. Mark my words. The writing is already on the wall.

BTW one thing I think you will get is no recalled US AW pilots supplanting AWA jobs. But.......I bet many of them get seniority preference shhould they ever get recalled. You heard it here first.

For the LAST TIME, the NAME OF THE AIRLINE makes no difference!

According to court documents, USAirway's will be brought into America West Holdings under the Barbell name. Current AWA management will control the 13 member board with a majority.

Yes, this is a merger, but you predicting what an arbitrator will find is crazy.

BTW, AWA brings a profitable and growing airline to the table. Yes, growing. Even with the ten airplanes leaving, we are getting 13 new Airbus by the end of 06.

I suggest you read some of the court documents to better understand this deal. I have been reading them and they are quite revealing in the plan behind this deal.

 

[nitrogen]

Not

I'm not a flamer. In time you will se how accurate I really am.

Nitrogen is a flamer. Stop biting...it's not worth it.

 

[321 busdriver]

I do believe that you're on nitrogen. You have no idea what's going to happen, just like the rest of us. I realize that you're upset because of the unknown, but rather than spouting off like some expert, which you are not, why not wait and see what happens. I think there will be some healthy fences to protect " career expectations", there are no recall rights ( which I think is wrong, but which our MEC signed off on, effectively screwing the guys on the street), and we have a tremendous amount of retirements happening every year for the next ten or so. So , take another hit of nitro, and try to relax for a while.

Well lets see. The combined carrier will have about 60 fewer aircraft than the two separately have now. Thats an initial estimate. Add the fact that a combining of the overlap will shrink it even more and its a virtual guarantee that some current employess are going to lose their jobs. It isn't speculation it's simple math. The most hilarious part is the gross disparagy that exists between the bottom US AW guy and the bottom AWA guy. The only way AWA pilots wouldnt get screwed is if this was a buyout. That would preserve their career expectations. In a merger they get creamed. Period. AWA pilots are toast.

 

[exagony]

321 busdriver,

If AWA needs pilots at the end of the year and USAir is getting ready to furlough, then some deal needs to be worked out to bring the USAir guys over to the AWA side instead of the street. They can be stapled for the time being, and their seniority will be determined at a later date during the actual merger discussions/arbitration. But to bring guys on that never had a seniority number when the end result is going to be a combined airline, is just grossly unfair.


What would be even more unfair is that U furloughed pilots would end up having more senority at AWA then the poolies would should the merger fail to go thru. Just think, U pilots who currently have no rights to a senority # at AWA, never interviewed/never hired, would get jobs that others pilots have pursued in the traditional manner ie applications and interviews. Now 6 months from now and the merger falls apart what recourse would the poolies have? None most likely. The poolies should be brought onto the property first (prior to the actual merger) and then the furloughed pilots. Otherwise the U pilots who have never even tried to get onto AWA will get jobs that other pilots went through all the hoops required. Now once the merger is "official and completed" I agree that U furloughees should have first shot at any openings.

 

[321 busdriver]

I really could care less what they call the new airline. Paint the planes yellow, combine the names, it really doesn't matter to anyone at U. Let's face it. Niether airline has that much to brag about when it comes to name recognition. With one VERY important difference. We run a first class operation to Europe, the Carribbean, and Central America, which is where the money is. To have a combined national low cost domestic system coupled with a strong international route system might just be a very good thing. Being a former Piedmont guy, I have no great loyalty to the USAirways name , so to speak, but there are a ton of great guys here and the name does carry alot of weight overseas. And to a person, not one of us goes around beating our chest and drooling about the possibilty of screwing some AWA guy out of his seniorty. In fact, on the line , it's not really being talked about that much. We're all to old to get that excited I guess. Best of luck to all.

I'm actually surprised that the US Airways name is going to survive. America West has not had the best history with name recognition. Sit around and hear people talk at the airport and you hear "America Worst". But keeping US Airways? I think they should have opted for a new name altogether. But what do I know?