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oldskoolbronco2

oldskoolbronco2

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I was just curious what the average day at netjets is like. Average flight time, sit time, hotels ect. I realize this is where all the NJA bashing will start. please just state the average line schedule facts if its possible.
 
As far as average line facts go, according to the line stats on 7/18, the average crewmember duty day length was 11.1 hours on the CE750 fleet and 11.2 on the CE650 fleet.

I'm sure that many will attest that we have seen many 14 hour days followed by legal rest. As far as working, some fleets work harder than other fleets. (Props to the Ultra drivers out there!) As with any company, there are problems here, but the pilots are committed to make this the best place to work by striving for an industry leading contract in the near future. All in all, there are much worse places to work.


PS: GO TEAM RAMROD! :)
 
As far as average line facts go, according to the line stats on 7/18, the average crewmember duty day length was 11.1 hours on the CE750 fleet and 11.2 on the CE650 fleet.


The daily line report is worthless, NO ONE will stand up an explain how these numbers are calculated. The question is asked again and again in Company recurrent, Senior VP's, DO or Head Scheduler have no idea what is included in those numbers.
12+ would be more like it for line pilots.
 
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gordon24 said:
Averages for me:

1st day-12/12
2nd-4th day-14/10 (maybe a 13/11 in there somewhere)
5th/6th day (depending on tour length) 12/12
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Doesn't get any more real-world than that. That's about 2000 duty hours per year, in half the weeks that your local cubbie-hole geek does it.

No one will ever argue that you folks don't bust your A$$.
 
is NJA still a good place to try to get a job? I have read some ugly things here

what about the 7/7 sked? will that be an option with a new contract?
 
I hope you find a better job then NetJets. The company does NOT want you to make this place a career. It's is one of the worst managed companies you could probably find. You can work as a COTA Bus driver (public transportation) in Columbus, Ohio and make more money than at NJA.
 
x402 said:
The daily line report is worthless, NO ONE will stand up an explain how these numbers are calculated. The question is asked again and again in Company recurrent, Senior VP's, DO or Head Scheduler have no idea what is included in those numbers.
12+ would be more like it for line pilots.
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It's really irrelavant how these numbers are calculated. What matters is when. Whoever flies/duties less than scheduled? They just keep you on anyway if you break.

It would be more useful for them to send the data for what we did the previous day than to tell us, at 7AM Eastern, what we're going to do.
 
A lot 0f 0001/0300/0400/0500 shows on the first day. Then after a couple days of early shows, you can plan on switching to the late afternoon evening shift. 12/14 hour days with minimum rest are common.
 
Teb

Stop into First Aviation ANYTIME during the day and just try to get a seat in the pilot lounge. If NetJets was a good company, they would have their own phrak lounge so the rest of us corporate pilots can get a seat while we wait or time on the only computer in the lounge.
 
is NJA still a good place to try to get a job?
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NO, not even close.

Owners are leaving or not resigning in large numbers. The company refuses to negotiate but expects your best effort of they will fire you.

NJA is not a career job, heck, its not even a stepping stone.

Management beleives if you stay for 2 years, hence the contract, they have gotten their money out of you. After that you are costing them money and they do not encourage you to stay.

If you want to know whether you should apply here or not just ask a NJA pliot next time you are on the road and see his/her response.
 
I agree. Until the union is broken, NJA is not a very good job, and I never considered going there. NJI is terrific. NJA will be very good if it becomes a non union shop. In my humble opinion. I do not mean to anger anyone out there, and am pulling for better days ahead for the NJA pilots.
 
G4 - you are undoubtedly the world's biggest ass. The union or pilots didn't make this bed. But you'll see that soon enough down at the bottom of our seniority list. Get the gear biatch.
 
Starman said:
G4 - you are undoubtedly the world's biggest ass. The union or pilots didn't make this bed. But you'll see that soon enough down at the bottom of our seniority list. Get the gear biatch.
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I stated that I am pulling for the NJA pilots, and that makes me an a$$? I believe the union is the reason you are so unhappy, does that make me an a$$? Or maybe I am merely wrong, does that make me an a$$? Or maybe you are referencing the actual size of my a$$, which is expanding due to the wonderful treatment by the company I work for, which does so without any coercion from goons from the IBT. So who is the a$$? Just curious.
How many years has the Teamsters "represented" NJA pilots? How's it going, guys? Happy yet? What if the process you believe is the solution is actually the cause of your discontent? Isn't that worth consideration without calling me an a$$?
Just wondering. I consider Starman's disapproval equivalent to applause, by the way. Goons of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your jobs, which you don't deserve anyway.
 
Union is the best thing about this place...

Otherwise why, according to the company Trolls would the latest offer make us the Best paid in the fractional INDUSTRY.

Of course they forgot about NJI and NJE
 
aeronautic1 said:
Stop into First Aviation ANYTIME during the day and just try to get a seat in the pilot lounge. If NetJets was a good company, they would have their own phrak lounge so the rest of us corporate pilots can get a seat while we wait or time on the only computer in the lounge.
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Why on earth would you go to that place unless you had QS on your tail? I didn't think anyone would use that dump.
 
Overheard on the First Aviation Freq:


"yo yo yo, this is First, wada ya want"


"J.Lo. - shes so freakin' buewtiful"
 
I gave up NJA last August with a senority number around 800. Couldn't stand the long hours and low pay. Even though you hear a lot of complaining, the pilots were a good group to work with. I'm glad I did it. Good luck.
 
G4dude must be related to one or all of the former 5 MEC members.

The fact that we have an actual, working and productive union is the only fact that is keeping us safe.

Without the union NJA would threaten discipline or termination for not going over 14, flying in bad weather or flying when sick. These scenarios all happened under the "old union" which wasnt actualy a union anyhow.

Without the union we would be breaking FAR's and company policy left and right.

The reason we have the new union is because the pilot group needed protection from NJA.

I gave up NJA last August with a senority number around 800.
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You would have been crazy not to. NJA will never be a career job. We are equivalent to a regional with slightly less pay.
The only down side to people leaving is that its exactly what NJA wants. The more senior people leave the less they have to pay.
 
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Fracster said:
G4dude must be related to one or all of the former 5 MEC members.

The fact that we have an actual, working and productive union is the only fact that is keeping us safe.

Without the union NJA would threaten discipline or termination for not going over 14, flying in bad weather or flying when sick. These scenarios all happened under the "old union" which wasnt actualy a union anyhow.

Without the union we would be breaking FAR's and company policy left and right.

The reason we have the new union is because the pilot group needed protection from NJA.
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So is that the way it is done at NJI and EJM.....sick pilots flying in bad weather in their 15th duty hour???
 
I can't attest for any of the other operations. My first hand knowledge comes from dealing with ACP's and CP's and speaking with management.

Ask any pilot at NJA who's tenure is longer than 3 or 4 years. They ruitinely flew tired, over 14, etc... the reasons for why they did so differ but many, if not most, did so from fear of disciplinary action.

Our former CP actually cursed out a pilot because he would not fly over 14 hours. Excellent behavior for a CP of a company like NJA. Luckily he was terminated later on for consistent behavior.

Now let me add that not all the CP's and ACP's are of this caliber. We do, in fact, have some great support but this former employee is the perfect example of behavior NJA is begrudginly relinquishing.
 
Let's not forget managements actions that very nearly CLOSED THE DOORS AT NJA. Did we all forget that the FAA nearly SHUT DOWN THE OPERATIONS AT NJA. It was discovered that management falsified FAA 135 TRAINING DOCUMENTS. The actions by our morally absent management nearly costs all the employees their jobs not to mention what it would have done to the owners.
 
I will second what G4Dude says. If you want a miserable work experience, go work in a union shop. I will promise a contentious us or them attitude all the live long day. You will be a part of a dysfunctional team where all the problems are someone elses fault.

The companies that have unions generally have them for a good reason, which should give a person of average intelligence enough pause to reflect on what makes the place so bad that people have to band together to force others into making decisions that benefit them.

If you want managers with an us and them type siege mentality, then by all means go to work there. From what I hear if you can fog a mirror they hire due to the people abandoning the place. Then you can have the honor of taking your place in the great dysfunctional machine, and bore anyone in an FBO dumb enough to listen how terrible a place to work your union shop is.
 
Flyx3 posted:

If you want a miserable work experience, go work in a union shop. I will promise a contentious us or them attitude all the live long day. You will be a part of a dysfunctional team where all the problems are someone elses fault.
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When I was first hired at NJA, it wasn't like this at all. It felt like a family operation. People worked hard on both ends. I had a flight manager cover for me as a new hire when I was late driving in one morning. When Santulli's name was spoken it was with reverence and you could almost hear the harps from heaven.

My point is it was not a miserable place to work a few years ago. The Union had been here for a while also. I don't know if we'll ever catch lightning in bottle again, but I hope maybe some of the magic will return when this is all over.
 
Yep I guess all those pilots at Southwest airlines are really miserable working at a union shop. All those union construction workers are really miserable. Don't forget all those union people that fought for overtime rules, a 40 hour week, health care, retirement, health and safety rules, those people are really miserable. You know who wasn't miserable?.....The slave owners. How happy are those Walmart workers?I bet they just love working their two and three jobs.
 

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