Asa Ta!

[Smarta$$]

My dad and uncle were making 6 figures in the right seat of a DC9 back in the early-mid 80's. Go get that salary.
It's a sad day when we all get a dollar raise and drool like a bunch of lap dogs. In the end, we still qualify for food stamps.

Why did your dad and uncle vote to give up scope and create a bidding war for those same jobs.

 

[Roger Dat]

For those of you that wonder if our on-time will go up if the Pilots are motivated to help out, the answer is an unqualified "Yes."

AT

Don't believe it. While no doubt it will help, there are still a lot employees (ramp and gate) who will not be affected by our new contract and will still continue to be sub par workers. Gaurenteed!!!

 

[Long Time Gone]

One thing is for sure. If this "signing bonus" has any type of clause in it telling me when I get it (besides DOS), or any type of percentage pay out over time (i.e. 20% this Christmas, 40% next Easter, 20% 2 Labor Days from now, etc.), it's a NO VOTE. If there's anything in there telling me that I have to remain an employee for x amount of months after the bonus is acquired, it's a NO VOTE.

 

[USCtrojan]

LSU will not only make it to the national championship, they'll clobber Cal, Oklahoma, or USC, one of these will be the opponent. SEC rules baby!

Hoser
Roll Tide!

Clobber 'SC, Oklahoma, or Kal? They're having a pretty tough time with Tulane. Let's see them get by the Green Waves first.....

Trojan

 

[restart]

Clobber 'SC, Oklahoma, or Kal? They're having a pretty tough time with Tulane. Let's see them get by the Green Waves first.....

Trojan

Wow. Really? I guess you couldn't afford the $10 to get a login on the football forum.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Let's get the vote done, and move on. This does seem to be a reasonable "package" just after looking at it briefly. Yes, we have to look at the finer points such as profit sharing, commuter clause, duty rigs, etc. However, overall the most important section, scope, is obviously something that should be examined more carefully, but that being said, congratulations to the CNC for delivering what looks like a comprehensive solution to our protracted negotations.

There will be many that will find fault with certain aspects, but I think this will most certainly pass, and we can get on with our lives, and strive to deliver a quality package to the travelling public.

Those that want to move on, fair enough, that's the way it generally works. Get your time, don't pass go, collect your 100 bucks and best of luck! If you end up cashing in $250k pa, and enjoy it, then good for you. There is no doubt that there is the opportunity to make a decent living, (and have a decent QOL along with it should you stick it out at ASA), but that may not be for everyone, especially the younger guys. The current industry model for major airline hiring is still very lucrative, and very well worth pursuing, but you still need that PIC turbine time!

Get the deal done, get your time now, and move on!
The rest of us, max out the 401k, fly until 65 if you have to (hopefully not!), and GTFO!

 

[IFLYASA]

I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but I have heard if it's a signing bonus, past pilots don't get any money, whereas if it were "retro", then they would be entitled to it..

 

[SoberIrishman]

What do you mean "past pilots"?
If you have already left ASA, then I believe that you would not be entitled, wheras if you are employed at DOS, then usually that means that you would have entitlement to the money. Just my take.

 

[SoberIrishman]

On this subject, does anyone know how a lump sum such as, say an $8000 signing bonus, would be taxed? I suspect a lot of it would go to Uncle Sam!

 

[USCtrojan]

Wow. Really? I guess you couldn't afford the $10 to get a login on the football forum.

Aww, did I touch a nerve? It's kinda weird when you crawl out of your hole and find not everybody loves the Southeast Conference. Back to your fantasy land now. Sleep tight. Maybe the 'Cocks will beat Miss. State? Looking iffy right now.

Trojan

 

[antix12]

From just reading the first post I have to say congratulations on just reaching a TA. Hopefully all of the sections and wording is solid and you all can get a contracts.

 

[wickedpilot]

You will make more than your .90 raise in Profit sharing and duty rigs. Please don't consider hourly rates as the only barometer of your compensation. Those are things we have never had. Also consider the massive QOL improvements we have achieved much earlier in these negotiations, things in the scheduling/reserve sections. This is more than a .90/hr increase for you.

True, hourly rates aren't everything, but they're a big piece of the pie. Seriously, how much do you think pilots can make from profit sharing with "the worst airline in the biz" On-time performace is crap. And we're depending on the thieves in the GO to cruch all the numbers.

Not to mention, several of the other sections have been TA'd for 3-4 years now. So we're starting off with outdated rules/policies.

Let's also not forget, effective Dec. 1 the travel benefits are being slashed.

I'm just saying, I expected a lot more after 5 years of this.

 

[shamrock]

Sure would be nice if everyone would wait to find out what is included in the TA before making their decision on it. BL and his buddies probably love seeing the "let's get this done and move on" comments being made based solely on what little has been released.

 

[SkyNation]

this is not flame, a serious question.

why do you think they agreed to it now? in another month or so the ALPA vote will be done at SkyWest, wouldn't that have given them more leverage to wait?

what items are you guys not happy with? what were you asking for that you didn't get?

thanks

 

[frapper]

On this subject, does anyone know how a lump sum such as, say an $8000 signing bonus, would be taxed? I suspect a lot of it would go to Uncle Sam!

Plan on around 40% to ol' Uncle Sam since it's a "bonus!"

 

[DoinTime]

I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, but I have heard if it's a signing bonus, past pilots don't get any money, whereas if it were "retro", then they would be entitled to it..

Former employees (excluding retirees) are no longer a part of your bargaining unit. If the company did not pay them you would not be able to take enforcement action. The value of the bonus can be ensured by keeping it in the bargaining unit.

Guys that resigned from ASA made a conscious and deliberate decision to leave. Most likely it was a career enhancement. Why is there all of a sudden a need for ASA ALPA to show these guys loyalty when it wasn't worth it for them to stick it out?

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Plan on around 40% to ol' Uncle Sam since it's a "bonus!"

Thats right. No GOUGING going on by the government. A real windfall profit for them for doing NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

Dick Gozinya

 

[SSDD]

Watch the language on that duty rig. It read exactly like Skywest's. But to the company that doesn't include layovers.

 

[CFI2766]

Don't forget about our pilots too!! All a collective effort in not giving up.




Putting this down here as not to hijack the thread...
Yes he did get benched. Carson Palmer didn't have a stellar start either, look at what he's doing. Matt is arguably the best COLLEGE FOOTBALL QB in the history of the sport.



WTF?!?!

Matt couldn't hold Namath's jock...

Talk to me when you get your 12th NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

ROLL TIDE!!!

 

[DX Rick]

Why did your dad and uncle vote to give up scope and create a bidding war for those same jobs.

they didn't, but way to start making excuses as to why we accept crap pay.