ASA PBS Passes

[maxcackel]

While this is true, the system can also make you work five or six days in a row if there is nothing but low credit trips left to choose from by the time it is your turn. Lamentably, there is no language to requiring the Company to build efficient pairings. Given the Company's love for 30 hour overnights, junior guys that want TLV plus some should expect to work more than four in a row.

I never thought I would find something positive to say about integration, but at least you could only work 6 in a row at the beginning of the month.


Not true. Again, if there is nothing left but low credit trips when your turn comes around, even a thoroughly commanding knowledge of the system, software, and loopholes can't save you from 6 day trips built of low credit pairings.



I thought most of the members that posted on the ALPA board were pro-PBS. Only 196 folks voted against it, which isn't that many, honestly. I'm curious how many of those railing against it really voted against it.


This is amazingly true, and something that needs to be remembered. ASA, overall, is a good place to work. I like the crews, and I like the flying. I like the "whoever dat callin' Atlanta no change" culture that is unique to the ASA experience. For all its faults, ASA is still a great place to work, particularly compared to other regional carriers.

Look, the PBS genie is out of the bottle. It is likely never going away. The People have spoken, for better or worse. For all you pro-PBS types, take your victory without malice. Nay voters, accept the defeat gracefully. PBS is here. There is no point belaboring the issue, particularly as we head into the long winter of negotiation. This is an exceptionally good time to work towards a unified pilot group. PBS specifically, and the Union's handing of it, have proven to be surprisingly emotional issues. Both sides need to make amends and peace as the Company has us in disadvantageous position: divided.

Thank you, Speedtape while preaching the workings of pbs in a perfect scenario does not under stand how this will work the ASA way unless your senior.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Excellent synopsis. ASA pilots have arguably the best contract in the fee for departure segment yet carry one as though they have it worse than everyone else. The complainers that generally go overboard seem to have only ASA as their sole experience in the real world. Let them all go get some perspective elsewhere and come back and see how bad it really is. I got news you little crying candy a$$es, it ain't that bad.

Well said!

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Excellent synopsis. ASA pilots have arguably the best contract in the fee for departure segment yet carry one as though they have it worse than everyone else. The complainers that generally go overboard seem to have only ASA as their sole experience in the real world. Let them all go get some perspective elsewhere and come back and see how bad it really is. I got news you little crying candy a$$es, it ain't that bad.

Ahhh couldn't have said it better myself. We do have so many clueless whiners here, it's embarrassing.

 

[Speedtape]

Thank you, Speedtape while preaching the workings of pbs in a perfect scenario does not under stand how this will work the ASA way unless your senior.

Obviously, you are Junior. If you learn to use it, you will get a better schedule than you are getting today. If you are Senior, and don't learn to use it, you will get a worse schedule than you get today.

If you let the software default to its settings and give it authority to award your pairings--you are hosed no matter what your seniority.

In a year, you will be a disciple of Prefbid. But then again, you like to complain, and no bidding system can fix that!

 

[maxcackel]

Speed I hope your right and in six to nine months if you are I will man up and say so. But if your wrong I expect a big fat I'm sorry from you ok? LOL. I don't like to complain but get fed up and forced into it.

 

[Speedtape]

Speed I hope your right and in six to nine months if you are I will man up and say so. But if your wrong I expect a big fat I'm sorry from you ok? LOL. I don't like to complain but get fed up and forced into it.

Fair enough!

 

[crj567]

Speed I hope your right and in six to nine months if you are I will man up and say so. But if your wrong I expect a big fat I'm sorry from you ok? LOL. I don't like to complain but get fed up and forced into it.

Ditto, speed, ditto....

 

[updraft]

PBS sucks good luck getting days off you want

 

[Speedtape]

PBS sucks good luck getting days off you want

You don't have Prefbid. If you did, you would get the days off you wanted. What is your system?

 

[crj567]

You don't have Prefbid. If you did, you would get the days off you wanted. What is your system?

Yep, Speed-

You just save this post and get back to me around Sept. We will see how many of the "days off you wanted" you wound up with. I hope you are in the top 10% in seniority-you sure are not up there in smarts.

 

[SLUF4]

so you're saying everyone will get every day off they want under our system? I think not

 

[Tarzan]

so you're saying everyone will get every day off they want under our system? I think not

And if you're junior you get it now?

 

[buscap]

Yep, Speed-

You just save this post and get back to me around Sept. We will see how many of the "days off you wanted" you wound up with. I hope you are in the top 10% in seniority-you sure are not up there in smarts.

Best bet for both sides of this useless sissy fight is for everyone to learn the new system best we can and make the most of it, just like we did when we went from paper to Flica, from Flica to Crewbid and now this.

Yes, this is a fundamental shift in absolutely everything, but we're not going to know any of the ramifications until it's been up and running for a while.

Then and only then can we whip out our collective I-TOLD-YA-SO peckers and throws our bullocks around the crew room in a hissy fit.

So for now, I advise keeping our pro or con genitalia in the tighty whities and stop polluting this mecca of mature adult conversation with our collective I-Lost-My-Binky-esque spats!

 

[SLUF4]

No, Tarzan..but speedtape is pushing this off like we will now and I'm saying we won't.

 

[Tarzan]

No, Tarzan..but speedtape is pushing this off like we will now and I'm saying we won't.

I understand that although I don't think that was the entire intent. The reason why he/she (Change the avatar!) believes that is due to wide variety of folks want from their schedules. We will always get it? We can all wish right?. But there other guys such as the Number 6 guy that likes to work weekends. There is quite a bit of diversity out there in what people want between nappers, weekend guys and commuters. If the flying gets covered, I don't think the company will give a rats a$$ how it gets covered if the ALPA numbnuts can get it done with their bid run solution.

 

[Poppa Hodax]

You don't have Prefbid. If you did, you would get the days off you wanted. [Snip]

It is a bidding system, not a Magical Wish Granting Genie. Ease up on the Kool Aid, man. One gets the days off that one's seniority allows.

 

[Speedtape]

It is a bidding system, not a Magical Wish Granting Genie. Ease up on the Kool Aid, man. One gets the days off that one's seniority allows.

Hopefully, everyone above me in seniority has the same general and casual attitude about it as you.

 

[Poppa Hodax]

Hopefully, everyone above me in seniority has the same general and casual attitude about it as you.

There is nothing casual about my attitude. I suspect that PBS will carry disappointment all around. The Union did a spectacular job of selling this PBS. At the roadshow I attended, the Union reps said that PBS allows you to "pick the trips that you want". This is deceptive. The system allows you to bid on trips, but I suspect that the majority of pilots believe that they will get whatever they ask for.
I'm waiting for people to figure out the pay cap (TLV+15, with not much in the open time pot to plus up your line), and I'm preparing for the general outcry when people are working five or six days in a row. I expect the pilots to regret the lack of trip rigs/minimum trip credit language passionately. The pilot group was apparently willing to trade a lot away for a vague promise of "growth" and a supremely flashy and dazzling demonstration of Flica, and I expect that many of the 83% are in for some rude surprises.
That being said, I think that anyone who thinks that Flica PBS will give them whatever they want (be it days off, specific trips, or a particular schedule) every time is a fool. The PBS system we voted in allows us to bid for things. Whether you get what you ask for depends on your seniority. With regard to your comment, Speedtape, I wanted to point out that your blanket statement that Prefbid will give you the days off that you ask for is erroneous.
I am also not casual at all about the learning curve that this system is going to require. The Union's demonstration at the roadshow left me feeling maudlin as I used to be able to do my bid in about 10 minutes. I suspect that to truly get the performance I desire out of the system, I am going spend hours not only learning the system, but also hours every month to work out my bid. A Delta mainline guy who uses Flica told me that he gave up on the hours long but excellent results option. It just takes too long to do his bid. He spends an hour or so, and just accepts what he gets.
Finally, I desperately want to be entirely wrong on PBS. I have marked my calendar for a year from now to report publicly if I am a Speedtape Disciple of Flica PBS(tm). I really, really hope that PBS is a certifiable Boatload Of Awesome. I honestly don't expect to be, but I very much want to be wrong about all the problems that I foresee, let alone all the unintended and still unknown consequences. But my opinions do not matter one bit as we all voted, and PBS is here, and no amount of dissent will change that fact. Whether you like PBS or not, whether you voted yea or nay, whether you are a knuckle dragging mouth breather or a genius from another dimension, PBS is here and the game has changed. Adapt or suffer. I, for one, intend to be spooled up and ready to go when the system goes live.

 

[Tarzan]

There is nothing casual about my attitude. I suspect that PBS will carry disappointment all around. The Union did a spectacular job of selling this PBS. 1) At the roadshow I attended, the Union reps said that PBS allows you to "pick the trips that you want". This is deceptive. The system allows you to bid on trips, but I suspect that the majority of pilots believe that they will get whatever they ask for.
I'm waiting for people to figure out the pay cap (TLV+15, with not much in the open time pot to plus up your line), and I'm preparing for the general outcry when people are working five or six days in a row. I expect the pilots to regret the lack of trip rigs/minimum trip credit language passionately. 2) The pilot group was apparently willing to trade a lot away for a vague promise of "growth" and a supremely flashy and dazzling demonstration of Flica, and I expect that many of the 83% are in for some rude surprises.
That being said, I think that anyone who thinks that Flica PBS will give them whatever they want (be it days off, specific trips, or a particular schedule) every time is a fool. The PBS system we voted in allows us to bid for things. Whether you get what you ask for depends on your seniority. With regard to your comment, Speedtape, I wanted to point out that your blanket statement that Prefbid will give you the days off that you ask for is erroneous.
I am also not casual at all about the learning curve that this system is going to require. 3) The Union's demonstration at the roadshow left me feeling maudlin as I used to be able to do my bid in about 10 minutes. I suspect that to truly get the performance I desire out of the system, I am going spend hours not only learning the system, but also hours every month to work out my bid. A Delta mainline guy who uses Flica told me that he gave up on the hours long but excellent results option. It just takes too long to do his bid. He spends an hour or so, and just accepts what he gets.
Finally, I desperately want to be entirely wrong on PBS. I have marked my calendar for a year from now to report publicly if I am a Speedtape Disciple of Flica PBS(tm). 4) I really, really hope that PBS is a certifiable Boatload Of Awesome. I honestly don't expect to be, but I very much want to be wrong about all the problems that I foresee, let alone all the unintended and still unknown consequences. But my opinions do not matter one bit as we all voted, and PBS is here, and no amount of dissent will change that fact. Whether you like PBS or not, whether you voted yea or nay, whether you are a knuckle dragging mouth breather or a genius from another dimension, PBS is here and the game has changed. Adapt or suffer. 5) I, for one, intend to be spooled up and ready to go when the system goes live.

1) You can go in an bid trips by ordering how you like them. Will you get them? Depends on seniority.
2) I doubt you heard any rep say there would be growth as a result. However, without it and the norm for the industry is with it, we price ourselves out. Simple fact. We adapt and survive or we don't and watch the flying leave piece at a time.
3) Depends on what you want out of your schedule. There certain overnights I don't want and days that I want to work. Along with hours that I can get. I just don't see how I can spend hours doing this unless I go and order every single trip. I don't plan to do that.
4) I don't expect it. It is a bidding system. We still have to come to work and sit around and stare at walls for three hours sometimes. It will still suck if you think it sucks now. It will still be okay if you have a little bit more of a cheery perspective.
5) I think that will be the best any of us can do. Let the rest of chips fall where they will and deal with the rest in MOU and Section 6.

 

[crj567]

And if you're junior you get it now?

That is why it is good to not be junior.... Junior.