ASA PBS Passes

[LazyLightnin']

AirTran is a lateral move.

Doh!!

 

[badog]

ding ding ding

It has been a year, and I am not a disciple of PrefBid, although in fairness we haven't had nearly as many bid cycles as we were to have by this time.



I don't like PrefBid because:

• I have to bid below guarantee to hold consistent days of the week off. This is instruction from a PBS trainer. I have to bid low to hold the same days of the week off from week to week (working Monday through Friday), the idea being to plus up my schedule from open time after the final award.
• The pairings I get are crappier, and I get a lot more of the 24 hour plus overnights in outstations. These gems used to be spread around a lot more, but now they are a bite of the crap sandwich that senior guys aren't afflicted with.

Basically, I work the same number of day for less pay, and the trips suck more. To make what I used to under line bidding, I have to work for free since I am already below guarantee.
Overall, PBS has cost me money and quality of life.

This guy hits it on the nose.
No pbs at the SUPER DUPER regional jcba
Not at express and not at asa

 

[ohplease!]

AirTran is a lateral move.

LOL! ummmm, not so much.....

 

[COOPERVANE]

Well it looks like the MEC is starting to figure out the crap storm they pushed on us will be a big pay cut for the top 50%. They are figuring out that the company can set the line value at 60hrs and with the +/- 15 that is a top of 75hrs for the month every month not just Sept and Jan. Add to that no open time with pbs and no language for trip pairings you will fly 4 crap trips for 70-75hrs. Everyone at min pay, brilliant! Now the company is fighting the Mec on intent so bad they may have to put the PBS back out for a new vote. Like I said before look at the red arrow BS, and now they can't even agree on what they agreed on for pbs to get it even started.
Speedtape may have to apologize sooner than I thought!

Nobody listened to you..

 

[centralpilot]

[*]The pairings I get are crappier, and I get a lot more of the 24 hour plus overnights in outstations. These gems used to be spread around a lot more, but now they are a bite of the crap sandwich that senior guys aren't afflicted with.
[/LIST]

What is your seniority in your seat/base?

FWIW, if I have to do 4-days I love 24+ hour overnights, especially in ORD, CVG, MEM, etc. I'll bid those ahead of other 4-days even if the credit is less.

 

[79%N1]

Not so sure I agree in Feb, with higher credit pairings I worked the same four 4 days, and got 90 hrs credit. With PBS, I had more flexibility to choose the pairings I desired and the specific days I wanted to work.

Now, with crappy pairings................

 

[DHPFLYN]

Wrong. We all win with PBS. We get the luxury of keeping our jobs, and proving to Jerry that we are willing to play ball. Management gets to bid for more work since we look more competitive.

WE would have been the only losers if we had voted this down. Jerry would just use that as proof that we aren't a good group of pilots to keep around, and shrink us one by one.

Jesus I hope you are kidding. Words can't decribe how much I am laughing at what you said. Just keep kissing their A$$

 

[resetjet]

Bid close delayed for this month. Can they get it right just once?!?!?!?

 

[johnpeace]

We should offer to buy them an iPad if they go two months without screwing up the bid award or payroll.

 

[79%N1]

Bid close delayed for this month. Can they get it right just once?!?!?!?

How were they "unable to bid"?????? Were they all locked in a computerless room since the 10th? Are you kidding me! Everyone knows the deadline!

 

[maxcackel]

Nobody listened to you..

Like I said, you will work more for less. You may be happy to adjust your schedule but it is a pay cut. Compare your 2010 W2 with 2011 next January then back out your contract and anniversary pay raise and see how much of a pay cut you took. You will be shocked, or by now maybe you have figured that out.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I'm saying as a group we should have listened.....I agree with you

 

[Speedtape]

Bid close delayed for this month. Can they get it right just once?!?!?!?

Why does it matter if the bid close was delayed, to allow pilots who were not allowed to bid to put their bid in?

The awards are still coming out on time. Have you been harmed?

From what I have heard, at Xpress Jet, their bids come out a different time every month, and I am guessing the awards date is a moving target also? Is that true?

 

[Speedtape]

Like I said, you will work more for less. You may be happy to adjust your schedule but it is a pay cut. Compare your 2010 W2 with 2011 next January then back out your contract and anniversary pay raise and see how much of a pay cut you took. You will be shocked, or by now maybe you have figured that out.

BS---One month does not make a year. I remember a few months last year under line bidding when most CR2 pilots were getting guarantee or less. How long have you been here? They have always manipulated pairing value to either spread out the available flying or to dump more flying on the pilot group when they didn't have enough pilots for the work?

PBS had nothing to do with that? It's a way to build lines.

 

[Whydoitry]

From what I have heard, at Xpress Jet, their bids come out a different time every month, and I am guessing the awards date is a moving target also? Is that true?

Awards come out the same day as bid closing, always within 2 or 3 hours. The bids have a tentative date they are to be published but that may change based on the change in block hours. There is a contractual minimum amount of time for the bids to be open, I think it's 5 days.

 

[79%N1]

Why does it matter if the bid close was delayed, to allow pilots who were not allowed to bid to put their bid in?

The awards are still coming out on time. Have you been harmed?

From what I have heard, at Xpress Jet, their bids come out a different time every month, and I am guessing the awards date is a moving target also? Is that true?

Can somebody tell me how they were 'not allowed'? Were they locked in a room from the 10th-15th?

 

[LazyLightnin']

Can somebody tell me how they were 'not allowed'? Were they locked in a room from the 10th-15th?

The company and the PWG failed to pre-explain what ETB was before the bids opened. Also, those with ETB failed to take the initiative to figure out what the pre-assigned ETB meant. I'm sure you read the memo that came out hours before the bids closed detailing the issue. Your awards still come out on time. You can calm down now.

 

[maxcackel]

BS---One month does not make a year. I remember a few months last year under line bidding when most CR2 pilots were getting guarantee or less. How long have you been here? They have always manipulated pairing value to either spread out the available flying or to dump more flying on the pilot group when they didn't have enough pilots for the work?

PBS had nothing to do with that? It's a way to build lines.

Plenty long enough. PBS is costing most everyone money. Compare at the end of the year and get back to me. And no I'm not talking about the paring generator, that's on top of it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Plenty long enough. PBS is costing most everyone money. Compare at the end of the year and get back to me. And no I'm not talking about the paring generator, that's on top of it.

I'm actually making more with PBS. Now when I stretch 1 week of vacation into 5 weeks I still make 75 hours...under the old system I was getting hit with MMG and losing 20-25 hours. I love PBS...

 

[777forever]

Plenty long enough. PBS is costing most everyone money. Compare at the end of the year and get back to me. And no I'm not talking about the paring generator, that's on top of it.

Im making on good months $1000 more under PBS than I would have made with line bidding due to being able to hold a line vs reserve. Wallow in your own misery cackel, cuz its a party on my side of the fence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!