ASA PBS Passes

[wms]

PS I as very junior until a month ago and now I'm very senior. My vote was yes given both situations.

 

[maxcackel]

Wrong. We all win with PBS. We get the luxury of keeping our jobs, and proving to Jerry that we are willing to play ball. Management gets to bid for more work since we look more competitive.

WE would have been the only losers if we had voted this down. Jerry would just use that as proof that we aren't a good group of pilots to keep around, and shrink us one by one.

So by this logic we better give the company anything they want when they ask or Jerry will shrink us and we will all be out of a job? Not just sheep but stupid sheep!!!

 

[crj567]

The company saves money w/ PBS if they didn't then why push for it and why would most every other carrier both maojr and regional have it?

We make vast improvements to our monthly QOL by having greater ctrl over our skds. Maybe you don't care about QOL but most of us do. As others have tried to explain to you PBS was able to be negotiated rather than rammed down our throat. This is key as we were abe to pick our vendor and get better options in contract language.

The problems that come up we can work on during open book.

If you actually think we are making "vast improvements to our QOL and skds" as you assert, please save this post. Get back to me by this fall, and we will once again compare notes.

-There is no way any improvement to QOL or skds is going to come from any PBS vendor or program. If they put crappy tips into PBS (as they surely will,) we will only get crappy trips out the other side.

-To assume this is any type of "improvement" is as insane as believing our travel benefits and ESOP programs were actually "enhanced" somehow.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Not being integrated to work 6 days in a row is a vast QOL improvement in my mind.

 

[OCP]

Yep-

As if we needed more proof how dumb our group has become. There are no winners with this PBS agreement.

(I think this poor soul lost the coin toss concerning whether or not to be struck repeatedly in the head with a framing hammer.)

-It has "worked for centuries."

Prove me wrong smart guy.

 

[Tarzan]

So by this logic we better give the company anything they want when they ask or Jerry will shrink us and we will all be out of a job? Not just sheep but stupid sheep!!!

No. The logic goes that if the company wants something, we negotiate to get what we can. When the pilot group wants something, the company negotiates to get what it wants out of the deal.

Where are you that you think that everything will be fine and we can ask for and get anything? The you have the audacity to start in with the sheep comments simply because people don't agree with your highly valued opinion?

Just wow.....

 

[blesko]

No. The logic goes that if the company wants something, we negotiate to get what we can. When the pilot group wants something, the company negotiates to get what it wants out of the deal.

Where are you that you think that everything will be fine and we can ask for and get anything? The you have the audacity to start in with the sheep comments simply because people don't agree with your highly valued opinion?

Just wow.....

Where is the discussion from SH and those in the puzzle palace about cost metrics? During our contract negotiations, we were told we had to meet x cost by y year, correct? Our union was so d*mn concerned about spewing all the gee whiz features of this software system to the pilot group, that in my mind, didn't address the real issue: What does this do for us financially (as a pilot group AND company financials) to make us a viable feed partner???

Where would our current number take us if we voted no, and where would they be anticipated with any anticipated future "growth." PBS will only work if we get growth....NT says growth is virtually certain with the passage of PBS.....I hope he's right.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

So by this logic we better give the company anything they want when they ask or Jerry will shrink us and we will all be out of a job? Not just sheep but stupid sheep!!!

Everything in balance.

 

[crj567]

Prove me wrong smart guy.

Once this mess is implemented, there will be no question who is wrong.

-We will see-like it or not.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Not being integrated to work 6 days in a row is a vast QOL improvement in my mind.

Just got off 6 days in a row thanks to PBS(not by choice)!!! Yes, I know you guys have a far better PBS than we do...

 

[maxcackel]

Not being integrated to work 6 days in a row is a vast QOL improvement in my mind.

Oh yea that's right, PBS will never make you work six in a row. Hahahahahahahahahahhahhaahahhahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahhah..
..................hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhah. cough cough hahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahah and a tear of laughter.

 

[maxcackel]

I say dual qual and no 401k match that's what we need. Come on guys we can do it.

 

[Speedtape]

If every pilot wanted the same type schedule, then PBS would be of little value. Because we all want something different, and even that can change month to month, PBS will be useful.

Conventional line building software build lines starting with patterns until it starts running out of pairings that it can build a pattern. It then starts patching pairings together until it can no longer build complete lines. Then open time is left over. More open time is created when conflicts are created with non-flying events, which creates partial trips. All this requires a high number of reserves to cover potential open time that is not picked up by regular pilot. Utilizing reserves that are paid guarantee that don't fly anywhere near 75 hours is expensive. Conventional line bidding is inefficient and requires more staffing.

PBS eliminates conflicts, allows more regular lines to be built, and results in less need for reserves--about 1/3 less. For the most part, the smaller cadre of reserves are only used for sick calls and occasional IROPS. Less pilots are needed. In addition, PBS can distribute flying to regular pilots more evenly so that at whatever block hour level, every regular pilot is doing about the same amount of work. This forces more pairings down by capping what a pilot can fly. It makes all pilots with regular lines productive to the same level. Hours and pairings forced down are flown at cheaper rates of pay.

PBS is a staffing tool that spreads the work, and when block hours increase, to some degree, more work can be done by less pilots compared to it's absence. Savings result.

 

[Speedtape]

Oh yea that's right, PBS will never make you work six in a row. Hahahahahahahahahahhahhaahahhahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahhah..
..................hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhah. cough cough hahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahah and a tear of laughter.

Even this PBS can make some pilots work 6 in a row if the bidder does not learn the system and place a proper bid. In the absence of a bid, insufficient preferences, or the absence of a default bid, then the software gets full authority and uses it's default settings. If the information given at the roadshow is correct, when the software has full authority, it will give award highest credit trips(4 days) on weekends, holidays and any areas of stacking to reduce open time. It could also award additional pairings that could create a 6 day sequence if it is FAR legal.

The objective of the bidder is to submit a bid to achieve his "dream line" of choice, thereby denying authority to the defaults of the software. If a bidder gets a 6 day sequence, the blame would squarely lie on the bidder and his improper or lack of bidding.

My prediction is that in one year, most everyone will love the Flightline Prefbid. It will make your life better, if you take the time to learn how to use it properly. It certainly allows more options to the bidder than line bidding. Personally, I like more options. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[maxcackel]

Even this PBS can make some pilots work 6 in a row if the bidder does not learn the system and place a proper bid. In the absence of a bid, insufficient preferences, or the absence of a default bid, then the software gets full authority and uses it's default settings. If the information given at the roadshow is correct, when the software has full authority, it will give award highest credit trips(4 days) on weekends, holidays and any areas of stacking to reduce open time. It could also award additional pairings that could create a 6 day sequence if it is FAR legal.

The objective of the bidder is to submit a bid to achieve his "dream line" of choice, thereby denying authority to the defaults of the software. If a bidder gets a 6 day sequence, the blame would squarely lie on the bidder and his improper or lack of bidding.

My prediction is that in one year, most everyone will love the Flightline Prefbid. It will make your life better, if you take the time to learn how to use it properly. It certainly allows more options to the bidder than line bidding. Personally, I like more options. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Some? Could? improper or lack of bidding? You think the all line holders wont work over the beginning of the month or "integration" for five or six in a row? Ya the top percentage of the group like before but for everyone else it still has to cover end of month to beginning of the month flying. I cant wait for you guys to choke on this thing. The senior guys will love it and probably swallow!