ASA MEC re-elects same officers

[PCL_128]

Or so I thought. What actually happened is that I was succeeded by lap dogs who gave them the rubber stamp they were looking for. Then they labeled those of us who tried to blow the whistle on what was really happening with the contract as traitors and publicly humiliated us.

It takes patience. As Rez says often, ALPA is a democracy. You can't control the entire organization, you can only control your own vote and your own actions. If people get elected to the other MEC positions that hinder progress, you simply have to wait it out and do your best to make what progress you can. That might mean that it takes you years to accomplish certain goals, but you can't simply throw up your hands and give up. Patience is a virtue in politics.

 

[ifly4food]

It takes patience. As Rez says often, ALPA is a democracy. You can't control the entire organization, you can only control your own vote and your own actions. If people get elected to the other MEC positions that hinder progress, you simply have to wait it out and do your best to make what progress you can. That might mean that it takes you years to accomplish certain goals, but you can't simply throw up your hands and give up. Patience is a virtue in politics.

If you think ALPA is a democracy, look no further than the Executive Council for proof otherwise. How many votes do the mainline groups get compared to everybody else?

And patience may be a virtue, but it doesn't help when you're term limited, and you only have a finite time to accomplish your goals. Once an FO rep upgrades, he can't run again except as a captain rep. Which usually goes to the more senior candidates.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What happens when the "problem" grows faster than the "slow democratic process"......The fire keeps jumping the fire line.....

Whether it be scope/fee for departure in ALPA.....or issues such as Soc.Sec/Medicare/entitlement programs in government.....We can't afford "slow"....The problems are growing faster than the politicians "solutions"....The larger the problem gets...the tougher the solution....

Sometimes you have to touch that "third rail".....but you can't if you want to work within the system......

 

[PCL_128]

If you think ALPA is a democracy, look no further than the Executive Council for proof otherwise. How many votes do the mainline groups get compared to everybody else?

That's simply a function of the number of pilots at these mainline carriers. The bigger groups will obviously get more of a say. That's the very root of democracy. As the regional carriers grow and more are added, they achieve more of a voice on the EC. This is no different than the US House of Representatives, in which the bigger states have more votes. The EB acts like the US Senate, in that every carrier has equal footing. That's why ALPA has a system of checks and balances.

And patience may be a virtue, but it doesn't help when you're term limited, and you only have a finite time to accomplish your goals. Once an FO rep upgrades, he can't run again except as a captain rep. Which usually goes to the more senior candidates.

There are many ways to get involved, not just as a status rep. Run for an MEC Officer position. Why did you decide not to run for MEC Office this time? You seem to be unhappy with the current slate of Officers, so why not run to replace one of them?

 

[ifly4food]

That's simply a function of the number of pilots at these mainline carriers. The bigger groups will obviously get more of a say. That's the very root of democracy. As the regional carriers grow and more are added, they achieve more of a voice on the EC. This is no different than the US House of Representatives, in which the bigger states have more votes. The EB acts like the US Senate, in that every carrier has equal footing. That's why ALPA has a system of checks and balances.

That's not true. Right now, regional pilots make up about 45% of ALPA, but only get 4 EC votes (5 if you include Couette) and share them with the small freight carriers (ABX/Astar) and US Airways East/West. The canuks get one vote, but swing wither way. Meanwhile, FDX, DAL, UAL, NWA, and CAL each get a vote, plus the other national officers (Prater, Rice, Beebe) are mainline. That's 8-5, and is not a democracy.

 

[Speedtape]

That's not true. Right now, regional pilots make up about 45% of ALPA, but only get 4 EC votes (5 if you include Couette) and share them with the small freight carriers (ABX/Astar) and US Airways East/West. The canuks get one vote, but swing wither way. Meanwhile, FDX, DAL, UAL, NWA, and CAL each get a vote, plus the other national officers (Prater, Rice, Beebe) are mainline. That's 8-5, and is not a democracy.

John Pennecamp,

Too bad you don't have a political bone in your body! How many nomination votes did you get in the last election? Yes, it's a democratic process!

 

[ifly4food]

John Pennecamp,

Too bad you don't have a political bone in your body! How many nomination votes did you get in the last election? Yes, it's a democratic process!

John who?

I could have counted to 10 and waited for the predictable response from 'ol attack dog Speedtape. The MEC's number one hit man against anyone who speaks the truth. His weapon... public embarrassment, personal attacks, and attempts to out people. He proved my above point very well, don't you think? They punish dissent.

Speedtape, why are they so afraid of dissenters? And if this is a democracy, why do you try to shame those who dissent into silence? Finally, if I have no credibility, why go to such great lengths to discredit me?

 

[ifly4food]

Guess the cat got his tongue. It must be "busy" over in the corner office of the ASA MEC. After all, he just got re-elected so now he needs to put in his ALPA leave for another two years.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you think ALPA is a democracy, look no further than the Executive Council for proof otherwise. How many votes do the mainline groups get compared to everybody else?

Are there more mainline pilots than everyone else?

And patience may be a virtue, but it doesn't help when you're term limited, and you only have a finite time to accomplish your goals. Once an FO rep upgrades, he can't run again except as a captain rep. Which usually goes to the more senior candidates.

So.... there are limits... is there an organization in your life...or even yourself that doesn't have limits?

Regardless... what do you suggests?

 

[ifly4food]

nevermind.