Anyone ever seen this site? Pilots For Truth

[JimNtexas]

Perhaps you should read over the site before you ridicule...

We want truthful answers to questions such as:...

No problem, here you go:

1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

Hijack proceedures prior to 9/11 were based on the assumption that the hijacked airplane would go somewhere, land, and make demands. That's why the main action the controllers took was to try and clear the airspace around the hijacked airplanes.

1. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

There were no missile batteries deployed around the Pentagon.

1. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?

It took three or four minutes after the second airplane hit the tower to figure out what was going on.

1. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?

The only good question so far.

1. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?

Because Art Bell and Alex Jones have that covered.

1. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?

For someone under a gag order she has a big website. My opinion is that most of these types of people are trying to cash in on 9/11 by selling dvd's and books to guilible wackos.

1. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?

They turned Flight 77's transponder off. The military has no radars that cover the internal CONUS airspace, they depend on feeds from the FAA center radars. These radars have some ECCM capablity, but they will not reliably paint primary targets below 10,000 feet.

1. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?

The hijackers used their real names and real driver's licenses.

1. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?

All those warnings were of the nature of "something may be about to happen". No one had any real specifics of any kind.

1. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

Because the 'reports' came from nut cases like you.

1. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?

Because they were dealing in facts, not fantasy.

1. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?

Same reason Jamie Gorlick was on the commission.

I'm glad to have cleared all this up for you. Sorry that every question came out as number 1, I'm too lazy to clean up the html.

 

[Fugawe]

Furthermore I'm in agreement with 'Yip and Fugawe let's all stop responding from this thread and keep it from the top.

Perhaps we could start another Thread, titled "9/11 conspiracy theorists: Morons, Crackheads or just plain stupid?"

Yeah, I'm done here....it's like having a conversation with a parrot.

The internet has enabled guys like this get attention. They eat this stuff up and love it and the attention. Notice how he's giddy with glee that 'his' thread is doing so well.

Ted Kuzinski and Jim Jones would've been the same way if they'd had internet.


Outta here,
Fugawe

 

[RJPilott]

Ted Kuzinski and Jim Jones would've been the same way if they'd had internet.

Thats an awful thing to say to familly members who are looking for answers....

For the mil guy above that did answer questions.. you may want to do more research on your answers. But your ridicule is typical.. thanks!

I especially like how official govt story tells us they found a Koran and a Flight Training Handbook with the list of hijacker names... in a car at the airport... but of course!

According to Bush.. he saw the first plane hit live on TV.. google it. He was speaking in a "Town Hall". How many of you remember seeing the first plane hit live? How many of you know EXACTLY where you were the moment you heard the news break? Official studies were done on children.. so dont go there...lol


Sibel Edmonds is the most gagged individual in US History.. her site doesnt cover the gagged information.. obviously.. (do these people really think others are that stupid?)

You need to re-check your coverage on something as simple as an AN/APG-63/70.. etc. Not to mention Class Bravo Airspace.

100,000 was wired to Atta...I guess the FBI are the nutjobs? but of course!
"The FBI confirmed in late September, in an interview with ABC News (which went virtually unnoticed) that the 9-11 ring leader, Mohammed Atta, had been financed from unnamed sources in Pakistan:
"As to September 11th, federal authorities have told ABC News they have now tracked more than $100,000 from banks in Pakistan, to two banks in Florida, to accounts held by suspected hijack ring leader, Mohammed Atta. As well . . . "Time Magazine" is reporting that some of that money came in the days just before the attack and can be traced directly to people connected to Osama bin Laden. It's all part of what has been a successful FBI effort so far to close in on the hijacker's high commander, the money men, the planners and the mastermind."9
The FBI had information on the money trail."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20020620&articleId=371

Common Strategy was to cooperate prior to 9/11... it wasnt to give up your airplane and walk to the back with a boxcutter pointed at you. How does that fit with a pilots number 1 priority of passenger safety? This is all according to Barbara Olsen who called her husband Ted Olsen (a Bush Admin Appointee http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/aboutosg/t_olson_bio.htm ) in a CNN article. The pilots sat in the back while the hijackers flew... yeah.. uh huh. good one...

im glad you were able to sell the govt theory to all the sheep. Us real patriots will continue to ask questions...

Care to go over the FDR data now?

http://pilotsfor911truth.bravehost.com/pentagon.html

 

[RJPilott]

Be sure to look up John O'Neill for those interested about the prior warnings. Also San Franscico Mayor and Pentagon travel plans the week of 9/11.


edit: Also look up Ashcroft travel plans.

 

[RJPilott]

RJPILOT ought to have his medical revoke due to his mental health. I think he is crazy. Please remind me never to fly on his RJ

You may want to include CO, AA, ATA, jB, ... of the top of my head...

We have pilots from there too...

 

[RJPilott]

Also for those interested.. look up Able Danger.


(boy.. i bet Jim's blood is boiling right about now.. dont worry Jim.. you're a good govt loyalist and apologist, just be sure to remember that oath you took when it comes down to it as your CiC calls it just "another piece of paper".)

 

[JimNtexas]

RJPilot, I'm laughing my ass off at you, you are just pathetic.

 

[RJPilott]

RJPilot, I'm laughing my ass off at you, you are just pathetic.

wow.. strong rebuttal...

You do know others know how to google.. right? And that they have a brain? It might explain the exponential growth in those questioning govt theory.


Do your research people.. look past the smoke screens of bullsh1t missle and pod theories... find the real information.

You may be called a nutjob for questioning your govt.. but others will see you as a patriot.

 

[RJPilott]

RJPilot, I'm laughing my ass off at you, you are just pathetic.

Remember Jim...

I, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

 

[pilotyip]

We should make this one of those polling threads, like they used to have for like the age 60 thing, and have people vote on what the truth is.

 

[BoilerUP]

My mother's company is a major defense subcontractor, and she said Clinton removed the Hawk missiles around the White House during his second term.

A looming oil crisis causing a US military conspiracy to blow up the WTC and shoot a cruise missile into the Pentagon?!?!? Never mind WTF happened to those airplanes, their crews & their passengers.

Our government can't fix potholes, get out of deficit or balance the farking budget but they can orchestrate such a complex conspiracy? YGBSM!

Ya'll have watched Syriana, 24, and Conspiracy Theory far too many times...

 

[Bus Driver]

Be sure to look up John O'Neill for those interested about the prior warnings.
edit: Also look up Ashcroft travel plans.

Don't you mean Jack O'Neill from SG1.
Also, are all those people on your post 80 and 81 Frequency Modulated?

 

[SKC]

"According to Bush.. he saw the first plane hit live on TV.. google it. He was speaking in a "Town Hall".

I'm curious where you've seen that Bush was speaking in a "town hall" that morning.

He spent the night of the 10th at the Colony resort, jogged 4 miles at 6:30am, left the resort at 8:39am, and arrived at the Elementary school at 9am. He was informed of the issue in the north tower sometime prior to arriving at the school. At this point, while tragic, it isn't something the President would scramble for.

 

[TrafficInSight]

"According to Bush.. he saw the first plane hit live on TV.. google it. He was speaking in a "Town Hall".

I'm curious where you've seen that Bush was speaking in a "town hall" that morning.

He spent the night of the 10th at the Colony resort, jogged 4 miles at 6:30am, left the resort at 8:39am, and arrived at the Elementary school at 9am. He was informed of the issue in the north tower sometime prior to arriving at the school. At this point, while tragic, it isn't something the President would scramble for.

Not only that but the first hit wasn't on live TV.

 

[navigator72]

Proof

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hCyqzHUMzds

 

[RJPilott]

Not only that but the first hit wasn't on live TV.

Bush in the Town Hall meeting saying how he saw the FIRST airplane hit on TV before he went into the school.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/bushsawfirstplane1.ram


But im sure you "sheep" will make up the excuse.. aww.. poor Bush is confused again... lol

 

[RJPilott]

Don't you mean Jack O'Neill from SG1.
Also, are all those people on your post 80 and 81 Frequency Modulated?

John O'Neil

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4755449627173127935

The presentation is a bit theatrical.. but if you dont want to watch it.. John O'Neil was the lead FBI investigator assigned to hunt down Bin Laden. He knew more about Bin Laden than any American. He was stonewalled in every turn. It was recommended he retire.. so he did. He was offered a job at the WTC in security. He started his first day on Sept 11, 2001. He died on Sept 11. There is ALOT more to the story if you watch the above video. Again.. a bit theatrical to keep your attention since "connecting the dots" can be rather boring if just told by some guy at a podium.

 

[JimNtexas]

Those hundreds of people who saw an airliner hit the pentagon were clearly under the influnece of Karl Rove's mind-control ray.

 

[RJPilott]

Those hundreds of people who saw an airliner hit the pentagon were clearly under the influnece of Karl Rove's mind-control ray.

Better double check your witness testimony... it wasnt hundreds.. It was more like 50. We just had a team in DC interviewing many of them.

Although, their official stories go something like this...some saw a C-130... some saw a Corp Jet.. some saw a missle. .some saw a big plane.. some saw a small plane.. A Marine pilot and two other Military officers saw a 737, and 2 people saw a 757.


1 person saw an American Airlines 757.. no question, he says. But he also said it hit the front lawn prior to hitting the pentagon.

We know it didnt hit the ground at all... according to the official story, the Flight Data recorder and the fact the lawn wasnt touched.

 

[RJPilott]

8 pages later and still not one of you big shot pilots wants to tackle the Flight Data Recorder from the NTSB?

Ohhh... thats right... i guess the NTSB are "lunatics" as well....



Let me know when you sheep want to get serious...lol

 

[RJPilott]

And Jim.. here is your radar coverage... NORAD is Magenta... note.. DC is well covered. I sure hope enemy bombers have their Mode C on in order to be tracked...

http://www.team8plus.org/the-movement/radar/images/radar_coverage.jpg

 

[JimNtexas]

And Jim.. here is your radar coverage... NORAD is Magenta... note.. DC is well covered. I sure hope enemy bombers have their Mode C on in order to be tracked...

The Air Force did not on 9/11 and still does not view 'enemy bombers' as a threat worth spending much money on.

I've forgotten more about radar than you'll ever know. I was an Electronic Warfare Officer for 20 years. When I was on active duty I managed the faker program, which used leased Learjets to test and train NORAD. I've been in both the Learjets and in the Air Defense centers during exercises. The ablity to skin paint with FAA center radars below 10,000 feet over land is very limited at best.

NORAD on 9/11 was an entirely outward looking organization. It had little or no capability to sort, track or identify a no-transponder target originating inside the United States. There was certainly no training whatsoever for such a contingency. That's why when the alert fighters did launch they initially headed out over water, that's all they ever trained to do.

Even if by a miracle a fighter had intercepted a hijacked airliner, there was no way such a target would have been engaged. The memory of KAL007 and the USS Vincents was way too strong. And of course there were only a handful of alert fighters (less than 10) covering the entire CONUS, and no SAMS at all.

As far as witness go, they all saw an airplane, most saw the two under wing jet engines. The difference between a 737 and 757 is pretty small when you see it roar by at 400+ knots. The security camera filmed an airplane, big pieces of airplane were found in and around the pentagon, and review of radar tape show that this airplane was the hijacked airliner.

To even begin to entertain these silly theories (9/11/ TWA 800, Roswell, etc) we have to assume that hundreds, probably thousands of people, in and out of the military and government, can somehow be persuaded to participate in mass murder and then remain silent for decades (except for a Turkish translator). I've been a goverment employee and know lots of them. They are all huge risk takers, they think nothing of risking their retirement at the drop of a pin, right?

But just for fun, let's make that ridiculous assumption. This huge number of government employees must perform a near-perfect execution of an amazingly complex plan, involing projected holographic images of airliners and hundreds of explosive experts working unnoticed for weeks in the World Trade Center at exactly the spot where the holographic airplanes appeared to impact the structure.

Does that sound like any government you've ever heard of? On earth I mean, maybe the Martians are better.

I understand that in crazyland, where you live, all evil doers work for the U.S. government, and in fact not a sparrow falls that isn't murdered by the U.S. Goverment. Even so, why did the diabloic super villians in the government need to fake anything? They could have just as easily aimed the mind control ray at the 19 hijackers and programed them to really do the hijackings.

On a bumper sticker: The people pushing these theories are trying to profit from 9/11 by sell books and videos to guillible fools.

 

[RJPilott]

All im trying to do is get to the truth. Even if that truth means the govt theory is 100% accurate. So far.. it does NOT.

You obviously make excuses for what you see that doesnt make sense to you.

Please try to look over the FDR data and give us an explaination when you get a chance.

I find it hard to believe that an aircraft was able to fly from FLM VOR, unmonitored... penetrate Wash Class Bravo airspace... do a gracefull 330 degree turn 3 miles southwest of the pentagon without ever being intercepted after we just had two buildings hit in NYC. Perhaps you think our military is that incompetent.. i dont. Please review the NORAD tapes and the latest claims from the 9/11 Commission.

Next... please tell us why the Flight Data Recorder provided by the NTSB is in direct conflict with the official story. (i will keep asking till you address it.. and/or make excuses for it.. as you do so well)

 

[RJPilott]

think nothing of risking their retirement at the drop of a pin, right?

But just for fun, let's make that ridiculous assumption. This huge number of government employees must perform a near-perfect execution of an amazingly complex plan, involing projected holographic images of airliners and hundreds of explosive experts working unnoticed for weeks in the World Trade Center at exactly the spot where the holographic airplanes appeared to impact the structure.

.

Holographic images? What the hell are you talking about? Dude.. you on drugs?

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

I have to admit it, at first I doubted RJPilot, but then I saw Ed Asner's name in the list of people supporting his theories. If Lou Grant thinks something is fishy, then something is fishy.

 

[JimNtexas]

Holographic images? What the hell are you talking about? Dude.. you on drugs?

Your theory requires holograms to have any plausibility at all.

 

[RJPilott]

Your theory requires holograms to have any plausibility at all.

What theory is that Jim? Please quote my theory.. from me...

 

[RJPilott]

By the way.. still waiting for you to address the NTSB FDR... thanks...

(keep ignoring it dude... makes your argument look weak)

 

[RJPilott]

I have to admit it, at first I doubted RJPilot, but then I saw Ed Asner's name in the list of people supporting his theories. If Lou Grant thinks something is fishy, then something is fishy.

And since Ed Asner is in there.. it must mean all the other PhD's, Govt agents such as FBI, CIA, NSA, et al lose credibility...


(so typical... keep making excuses not to do your own research sheep)

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

And since Ed Asner is in there.. it must mean all the other PhD's, Govt agents such as FBI, CIA, NSA, et al lose credibility...


(so typical... keep making excuses not to do your own research sheep)

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