Anti union pilots.....I don't get it.

[PCL_128]

You make the assumption that all management is bad and all unions are good, niether of these statements is inherrently true.

Unions are democracies. Corporations exist only for one purpose: the almighty dollar. It isn't necessarily that management is "bad," although certain management certainly are, it's more about who they are beholden to. Unions have a legal responsibility to their members. Corporations only have a legal responsibility to their shareholders. As an employee, it is asinine to put your trust into someone that has a fiduciary responsibility to someone that has goals antithetical to your own. The shareholders want to see labor paid as little as possible to increase their future profits. Therefore, management will do what they can to make those goals happen in order to pacify the shareholders. Unions exist to provide balance. Capitalism run amok is one of the scariest notions that I can imagine. There has to be balancing forces.

 

[BE90flyer]

"Capitalism run amok is one of the scariest notions that I can imagine"

It took a while but it finally came out. Capitalism it what drives our country. Businesses exist to make money, not employ you.

Maybe we should take from the rich and give to the poor. Oh wait, we already do that with our current tax system. I got news for you Robinhood, there are still a few places you can go and enjoy you communist life style. Dont let me stop you.

 

[PCL_128]

It isn't a black-or-white choice between capitalism and communism. This country doesn't have a pure capitalistic system. What do you think anti-trust laws are for? There has to be balance to keep capitalism in check. If you allow it to run amok, then everyone but the extremely powerful gets fu*&ed, much like the communist systems that you refer to. Pure communism and pure capitalism end in the same result: the little people get screwed, and the powerful get richer and more powerful. What works for everyone is a system of capitalism with checks and balances. Unions, anti-trust laws, etc... provide that balance.

 

[SERPICO]

Totalitarianism

Unions are democracies.

Unions exist to provide balance.

How is a closed shop democratic?
Yes,I realize that this a precondition of employment.
Second point, I agree.

 

[CA1900]

"Capitalism run amok is one of the scariest notions that I can imagine"

It took a while but it finally came out. Capitalism it what drives our country. Businesses exist to make money, not employ you.

Slavery and child labor are good for business. Are you suggesting those should be brought back into action, to increase shareholder value?

Environmental regulation stifles business. Do you really want to return Lake Erie to its "prime" of the 60's and 70's? One need only look at the skies of Shenzhen to see the result.

 

[JoeMerchant]

It isn't a black-or-white choice between capitalism and communism. This country doesn't have a pure capitalistic system. What do you think anti-trust laws are for? There has to be balance to keep capitalism in check. If you allow it to run amok, then everyone but the extremely powerful gets fu*&ed, much like the communist systems that you refer to. Pure communism and pure capitalism end in the same result: the little people get screwed, and the powerful get richer and more powerful. What works for everyone is a system of capitalism with checks and balances. Unions, anti-trust laws, etc... provide that balance.

It is those very anti-trust laws that have caused some of our problems..... If airlines could get together more, either through mergers or raising fares, we would have a stronger industry..... Instead we have a very weak industry.... That isn't good for collective bargaining......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Despite how much I hate PCL management, I would still choose to work at Pinnacle over Skywest any day.

Proof again that you are brain dead...... Skywest is a better run company and pays better than PCL..... Yet you would rather work for PCL because of ALPA..... I would rather work for a good company.....

Would you rather work for Mesa than Skywest?

 

[Lazy8]

Friends don't let friends work at Pinnacle!!!

But ALPA represents you well? Pinnacle is the worst regional out there, you have said it yourself.

I'm sure there are worse regionals.

And I suppose Pinnacle would be a great place to work if we did not have ALPA representation? :erm: Suuuuure. That's a good one.

 

[DX Rick]

AirTran is unionized, you dipsh*&. I have union protection. It may not be ALPA, which I would prefer, but union protection is union protection. Skywest pilots have zero protection.

I never said Air Tran wasn't a Union carrier, I said it was a NON ALPA carrier.
You in previous posts have stated that thier union is not as good as ALPA. So why would you risk your career with anything less than ALPA?

You've resorted to a lot of name calling lately. A sign of insecurity. Is there anything you would like to share with us? Get off your chest? Come on, we're all here for each other. Group hug?

 

[pilotyip]

Maybe

Are you implying that those union companies went out of business simply because they were unionized?

When a privately owned company (Zantop Teamsters 747) with an owner who said he would shut the place down if a union came on the property, annouces 6-8 weeks in advance of the company shutdown to comply with the RLA. And that date is the anniversary of the first raise under our contract. Is that coincidental or is it a move to get rid of the union. The owner then elected to stay in business if the union would reopen the contract, the union agreed to L-188 Captain pay and days off that was less than the days off and pay for a 1st year DA-20 Captain at USA Jet Airlines. You can draw your own conclusions. BTW I did not go back.