ALPA endorses Clinton

[PCL_128]

I feel dumber for having read that ridiculous analogy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

notice the use of beer to lure and distract the reader.... it's designed for those who don't use critical and objective thought...

 

[pilotyip]

I know its tuff

I feel dumber for having read that ridiculous analogy.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. For those who want to tax the rich, check out the history of English fiscal policy under the labour gov't from 1946 to 1975 when Maggie came along to save the country

 

[pilotyip]

notice the use of beer to lure and distract the reader.... it's designed for those who don't use critical and objective thought...

see above

 

[JoeMerchant]

notice the use of beer to lure and distract the reader.... it's designed for those who don't use critical and objective thought...

.....actually it is you that is trying to distract the reader from the critical and objective thought that this analogy presents....

Would either you or PCL128 care to illustrate any flaws in the analogy.....or would you two just prefer to spew your wealth envy class warfare BS......

The analogy is spot on.....

 

[PCL_128]

Would either you or PCL128 care to illustrate any flaws in the analogy.....or would you two just prefer to spew your wealth envy class warfare BS......

The analogy is spot on.....

The analogy doesn't give any information about the men. How much money does each of them make? Does the 10th man make $500k a year while the first four only make $10k a year? Or are all men on equal ground? It makes a difference. Also, beer isn't equivalent to schooling, health care, retirement, etc... These are things that are necessary to a functioning society.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The analogy doesn't give any information about the men. How much money does each of them make? Does the 10th man make $500k a year while the first four only make $10k a year? Or are all men on equal ground? It makes a difference. Also, beer isn't equivalent to schooling, health care, retirement, etc... These are things that are necessary to a functioning society.

1. The actual amount that each "makes" is irrrlevant to the point of the analogy....Those who make more, pay more money in taxes, thus when they get a tax "cut" they get a larger tax "cut" then those who make less......

A 10% tax cut equals $100,000 per year for someone who makes $1 million per year......For someone who doesn't pay any taxes, that same 10% tax cut equals $0..... The left wing spin is that the tax cut favored the "rich"...... The left would rather take money from the wealthy and redistribute it to the "poor".....

2. Fine, change the analogy to "education, health care and retirement"...... the analogy still stands.

By the way, "education, health care, and retirement" aren't "rights"......they are responsiblities......there is a huge difference.....

The federal government shouldn't be involved in any of these programs.....

 

[G-force]

Head in the SAND!!!!!!!

Please indicate a "socialist" policy proposal that Obama has made.

Dude,where in the he!! have you been for the last 6 months,on another planet or has your head been in the sand????????

Ever heard of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE???? HELLO?????
I guess the porch lite is on, but nobody is HOME!!!!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

From Wikipedia....


Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1].


Sounds like what PCL128 is advocating........

 

[PCL_128]

Dude,where in the he!! have you been for the last 6 months,on another planet or has your head been in the sand????????

Ever heard of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE???? HELLO?????
I guess the porch lite is on, but nobody is HOME!!!!!!!

I can see I'm debating with a real mental giant here. [/sarcasm] Universal health care is not a socialist program. A single-payer system is a socialist program, but no one is proposing that. The programs offered by both Obama and Hitlery are still private insurance programs. The government is not taking over health care. You should actually read something for once instead of listening to Michael Savage and Neal Boortz all the time.

 

[PCL_128]

Sounds like what PCL128 is advocating........

Not at all. Where have I advocated state control of wealth or property? I merely want everyone to pay their fair share. A rich guy paying 15% while his secretary pays 25% is not a fair share.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not at all. Where have I advocated state control of wealth or property? I merely want everyone to pay their fair share. A rich guy paying 15% while his secretary pays 25% is not a fair share.

Your not a communist....your just a socialist......there is a difference.....

State control would be communism.....whereas socialism is more about "fair distribution of wealth"....which is essentially what you are advocating.....

 

[PCL_128]

Your not a communist....your just a socialist......there is a difference.....

State control would be communism.....whereas socialism is more about "fair distribution of wealth"....which is essentially what you are advocating.....

As is common with Americans, you don't really understand what communism or socialism are.

Communism is simply public control of what traditional Marxist philosophy refers to as the "means of production," which is basically business and all that makes society function. In short, communism is a utopian ideal of complete control of government and business by the people. Communism is not state control as you put it. In short, the USSR was not really communist at all. Trotsky referred to it as a degenerated workers' state, which is basically what all so-called Communist states have been.

As for socialism, it's harder to pin down with a strict definition because there are so many socialist ideologies, but "fair distribution of wealth" as you put it wouldn't really be a fair definiton. Fair distribution of property and the means of production would be more accurate. None of the European countries are really socialist, despite the fact that so many far-righters like to refer to them as such.

 

[pilotyip]

Confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.

Yea PLC wants a Canadian type of Health Care, where now you have to sign up for pre-natal care 10 months in advance. I bet he wants to confiscate the wealth of all millionaires, to give to the poor. Including many the retired airline Pilots. Hillary and Nancy could get together and pull off this great idea.

Pelosi Wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401Ks and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

Boy, are we in trouble... This woman is frightening. "We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied : "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'."

 

[PCL_128]

Yea PLC wants a Canadian type of Health Care

<font color="black"> No, I don't. (and it's spelled PCL, not PLC) The Canadian system is a publicly-funded single-payer system. I don't want that, and neither does Obama. Again, you're listening to Neal Boortz too much.

I bet he wants to confiscate the wealth of all millionaires, to give to the poor.

As usual, you are incorrect. I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all.

Pelosi Wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401Ks and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

Boy, are we in trouble... This woman is frightening. "We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied : "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'."

Poor gullible yip. Just more internet folklore that never actually happened. Read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp