ALPA endorses Clinton

[PCL_128]

Sounds like what PCL128 is advocating........

Not at all. Where have I advocated state control of wealth or property? I merely want everyone to pay their fair share. A rich guy paying 15% while his secretary pays 25% is not a fair share.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not at all. Where have I advocated state control of wealth or property? I merely want everyone to pay their fair share. A rich guy paying 15% while his secretary pays 25% is not a fair share.

Your not a communist....your just a socialist......there is a difference.....

State control would be communism.....whereas socialism is more about "fair distribution of wealth"....which is essentially what you are advocating.....

 

[PCL_128]

Your not a communist....your just a socialist......there is a difference.....

State control would be communism.....whereas socialism is more about "fair distribution of wealth"....which is essentially what you are advocating.....

As is common with Americans, you don't really understand what communism or socialism are.

Communism is simply public control of what traditional Marxist philosophy refers to as the "means of production," which is basically business and all that makes society function. In short, communism is a utopian ideal of complete control of government and business by the people. Communism is not state control as you put it. In short, the USSR was not really communist at all. Trotsky referred to it as a degenerated workers' state, which is basically what all so-called Communist states have been.

As for socialism, it's harder to pin down with a strict definition because there are so many socialist ideologies, but "fair distribution of wealth" as you put it wouldn't really be a fair definiton. Fair distribution of property and the means of production would be more accurate. None of the European countries are really socialist, despite the fact that so many far-righters like to refer to them as such.

 

[pilotyip]

Confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.

Yea PLC wants a Canadian type of Health Care, where now you have to sign up for pre-natal care 10 months in advance. I bet he wants to confiscate the wealth of all millionaires, to give to the poor. Including many the retired airline Pilots. Hillary and Nancy could get together and pull off this great idea.

Pelosi Wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401Ks and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

Boy, are we in trouble... This woman is frightening. "We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied : "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'."

 

[PCL_128]

Yea PLC wants a Canadian type of Health Care

<font color="black"> No, I don't. (and it's spelled PCL, not PLC) The Canadian system is a publicly-funded single-payer system. I don't want that, and neither does Obama. Again, you're listening to Neal Boortz too much.

I bet he wants to confiscate the wealth of all millionaires, to give to the poor.

As usual, you are incorrect. I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all.

Pelosi Wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401Ks and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

Boy, are we in trouble... This woman is frightening. "We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied : "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'."

Poor gullible yip. Just more internet folklore that never actually happened. Read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp

 

[pilotyip]

has to be real

<font color="black"> Poor gullible yip. Just more internet folklore that never actually happened.

It has to be real, it was given to me by a Navy pilot friend of mine who decided to become a Doctor

 

[PCL_128]

It has to be real, it was given to me by a Navy pilot friend of mine who decided to become a Doctor

I don't even know what that means.

 

[pilotyip]

BTW As usual, you are incorrect. I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all. What is fair, 95%, 90%, 85% what is fair? JFK had a 98% upper tax braket, so much wealth was leaving the courty that the rates were adjusted down. Same thing happened in England under the Labour Gov't.

 

[pilotyip]

Have your union explain it to you,.

I don't even know what that means.

you are slow on the uptake

 

[PCL_128]

BTW As usual, you are incorrect. I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all. What is fair, 95%, 90%, 85% what is fair? JFK had a 98% upper tax braket, so much wealth was leaving the courty that the rates were adjusted down. Same thing happened in England under the Labour Gov't.

"Fair" means at least the same percentage as those making less than them. When the rich can manipulate the system in order to pay virtually nothing, we need to jack up their rates to get their fair share out of them.

 

[PCL_128]

you are slow on the uptake

Coming from the guy who believes internet folklore? Funny.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. For those who want to tax the rich, check out the history of English fiscal policy under the labour gov't from 1946 to 1975 when Maggie came along to save the country

ok then.....




what kind of beer is it?

Lager?
Ale?
Porter?
Stout?
IPA?
ESB?


More importantly... Is it mass produced piss water like any product from Bud, Coors or Miller? Or is it that facade 'mirco brew' Blue Moon (made by coors?)

Now if you are talking about Fat Tire or 2 below.... maybe Hazed and Infused.. then you might have a point... but as usual... you do not convey what you say....

 

[pilotyip]

Any beer at the "Wedge" $1.25 a draft is good beer.

 

[pilotyip]

So again what rate?

"Fair" means at least the same percentage as those making less than them. When the rich can manipulate the system in order to pay virtually nothing, we need to jack up their rates to get their fair share out of them.

Jack it up to what? Take away all incentives to invest in companies, give to charity, scholarships at your Alma Mater. Tell us oh sage of your plan to make the US better. What rate should should the rich folk pay?

 

[PCL_128]

Jack it up to what? Take away all incentives to invest in companies, give to charity, scholarships at your Alma Mater. Tell us oh sage of your plan to make the US better. What rate should should the rich folk pay?

Putting the top bracket back to what it was pre-taxcuts is a good start. Then closing some loopholes should suffice to even the playing field to get them to pay their fair share.

 

[pilotyip]

again you dodge the question, what braket? what %

Putting the top bracket back to what it was pre-taxcuts is a good start. Then closing some loopholes should suffice to even the playing field to get them to pay their fair share.

What tax bracket do you want for the rich? What defines rich? Should we close the mortgage interest deduction, or raise capital gains rates, remove work related expenses, donations to your church, your college, what loop holes are we talking about, oil depletion allowance? History has shown that tax revenue from the rich goes up when rates go down because the deductions are no longer as good of a deal and it is better to pay taxes, than risk money in a tax deduction. It is there money and if you try to take too much of it, they take it someplace else like the Bahamas or Switzerland. But then if they tried that you would recommend confiscation, am I close. BTW I think we had this same exchange about what is middle class? And if I recall you never answered that either.

 

[PCL_128]

During the 90s, the top bracket was 39.6%, and that was only for taxable income over $288k per year. That's what we should got back to. Today, the top bracket is 35% for income over $350k. The cap gains rate should also be increased to the old 20% rate for those in the top couple of brackets.

 

[JoeMerchant]

As is common with Americans, you don't really understand what communism or socialism are.

Communism is simply public control of what traditional Marxist philosophy refers to as the "means of production," which is basically business and all that makes society function. In short, communism is a utopian ideal of complete control of government and business by the people. Communism is not state control as you put it. In short, the USSR was not really communist at all. Trotsky referred to it as a degenerated workers' state, which is basically what all so-called Communist states have been.

As for socialism, it's harder to pin down with a strict definition because there are so many socialist ideologies, but "fair distribution of wealth" as you put it wouldn't really be a fair definiton. Fair distribution of property and the means of production would be more accurate. None of the European countries are really socialist, despite the fact that so many far-righters like to refer to them as such.

Actually, that is about what I said regarding the two......communism is state controlled socialism.....

Socialism is more of a philosophy......one that you seem to promote.....

The US is the least socialistic country.....Europe has many "craddle to grave" socialist programs....

It's not the federal governments job to take care of you or me from craddle to grave.....The federal government should protect us from external attack and protect the borders...Besides that and the Federal Court system, most everything else should be left up to the states.....

Education, health, and retirement are not "rights" and should not be issues of federal government...... I don't want people who are responsible for the TSA to take care of my retirement or health care.......Do you?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I want the millionaires to pay their fair of the tax burden. That's all.

I'm not a "millionair", but if the Bush tax cuts are rolled back, I will pay more in taxes......Are you advocating that my taxes should go up?

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, that is about what I said regarding the two......communism is state controlled socialism.....

I don't mean to belabor this point, but that's still not accurate. Communism is a socialist ideal where the people themselves own the means of production. The very idea of a "state" is really an antithesis to real communism. What you suggest is really a degenerated workers' state.

Socialism is more of a philosophy......one that you seem to promote.....

Nope. Not a fan of socialism.

I don't want people who are responsible for the TSA to take care of my retirement or health care.......Do you?

No, I don't want them to directly control the programs, but I would like them to make sure that everyone has retirement and health care, otherwise society degenerates. A bunch of people living in poverty and sickness is beneficial to no one. Obama is proposing a health care plan that is universal, while still being part of private enterprise. That's exactly what is needed.