AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[freightdogfred]

And so will you....so?....
Are you now taking satisfaction in your own lesser contract?

Pretty much. How many times have I been told I'm a lotto winner, that I only have a contract because of SW, I should have been stapled, blah blah blah the list goes on.

I won the lotto, no sense in getting greedy. I'll fly my trips and go home.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Pretty much. How many times have I been told I'm a lotto winner, that I only have a contract because of SW, I should have been stapled, blah blah blah the list goes on.

I won the lotto, no sense in getting greedy. I'll fly my trips and go home.

Seriously?

Are you just another FI tough guy whiner, or are you really going to push your schtick in real life and take pleasure if we don't get the contract improvements we're seeking? I suspect the former, but if he latter is true, then you might want to apply for a position at the G.O.--I hear the COO is looking for a new buttboy to carry his water. Your rhetoric sounds like you'd be perfect for the job.

Bubba

 

[-9Capt]

Freightdog's opinion is not at all uncommon among the disenfranchised AirTran pilots, myself included. You can't piss all over a select group and expect any allegiance whatsoever.

Sorry, right or wrong, but that's the way it's going to be, and it's a direct result of the actions of SWAPA and management. To expect even a bit of locality at this point would be ridiculous.

 

[madjack]

Select group?

 

[freightdogfred]

Seriously?

Are you just another FI tough guy whiner, or are you really going to push your schtick in real life and take pleasure if we don't get the contract improvements we're seeking? I suspect the former, but if he latter is true, then you might want to apply for a position at the G.O.--I hear the COO is looking for a new buttboy to carry his water. Your rhetoric sounds like you'd be perfect for the job.

Bubba

Where do I apply?

Prob wouldn't get selected anyways, I'm not RSW just a no-good tranny lotto-winner. Don't see myself really shouting from the bleachers for either side, like I said I'm just kinda wore out an tired of the whole mess, just wanna get done training, fly my trips and go home. I'm content to let wavey, red clown and darth vader spearhead the whole "shut em done" routine. Steve Chase and the rest of the SWAPA posse made it pretty clear how they felt, they got the seats and the seniority. A few posts up a guy was crowing about retiring at #60 instead of #30. Really? I went from 32% to 66%. Prob won't make Captain again. Forgive me If I don't wanna join the SWAPA cheerleaders.

 

[Phlintstone]

...I'm just kinda wore out an tired of the whole mess, just wanna get done training, fly my trips and go home. I'm content to let wavey, red clown and darth vader spearhead the whole "shut em done" routine. Steve Chase and the rest of the SWAPA posse made it pretty clear how they felt, they got the seats and the seniority...Forgive me If I don't wanna join the SWAPA cheerleaders.

Amen brother.

Phred

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Yeah, "pay attention" to that informative video on how to pack your suitcase, I hear they really hammer you about that during the oral.

YHGTBSM, I've seen the cockpit of a 73 maybe 10 times in my life and they are wasting training time on showing me how to pack my bags? (Must be for the military guys.) Next you're going to tell me they spend a whole day on TCAS, and another day on radar, and another day on ground prox, oh, don't forget bidding, and filling out health care forms with the wife. It could be worse, I could be over seas in the military but since I'm not, wasting time away from the family without positive space home to visit at least once in 8 weeks is hard to get excited about.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys would be miserable no matter. Blame the mirror, not us.

Said ad nauseum, so who cares at this point-
But I promise you- this career can and has "screwed" people in real terms, and not just subjective whiny b/tch terms.
I was supposed to be a millionaire legacy pilot, remember?
Thousands have been furloughed for most of 10 years, and you guys go to air tran, a small growing carrier, and expect never to be bought or no hard times to fall on you?
Grow up. Good thing I've been online and the VAST majority of air tran pilots are more than happy to be here and real cool. The problem is your expectations. You complain to me and I will be first in line to tell you that I got absolutely nothing out of this deal except diluted seniority. Argue that all you want, but it's true. And I'm over it. So if my junior FO group is over it, you guys can really sh^t the f^ck up about not being slotted in next to pilots who've flown here for a decade before your airline flew it's first flight.
Unrealistic a$$holes make up the air tran FI crowd.
You can poison your own well all you want...it's you it affects

 

[redflyer65]

Where do I apply?

Prob wouldn't get selected anyways, I'm not RSW just a no-good tranny lotto-winner. Don't see myself really shouting from the bleachers for either side, like I said I'm just kinda wore out an tired of the whole mess, just wanna get done training, fly my trips and go home. I'm content to let wavey, red clown and darth vader spearhead the whole "shut em done" routine. Steve Chase and the rest of the SWAPA posse made it pretty clear how they felt, they got the seats and the seniority. A few posts up a guy was crowing about retiring at #60 instead of #30. Really? I went from 32% to 66%. Prob won't make Captain again. Forgive me If I don't wanna join the SWAPA cheerleaders.

A change from 32% down to 66%?

I wish I could claim the opposite gain of 66% up to 32%! But unfortunately nobody can. You got bought by a carrier FIVE times your size. To think you would keep something close to relative seniority is not based in reality. Sorry.

 

[scoreboardII]

Where do I apply?

spearhead the whole "shut em done" routine. .

shut em down routine?

 

[scoreboardII]

It's na?ve to even begin to think SWAPA or any SWA pilot had a desire to harm any AT pilots. It's called business, we either pull together now that it's "done", or we get rolled over from here to eternity by management.

This is exactly what Randy ********************ing Babbitt is hoping for.

 

[Clyde Frog]

I like having my job threatened by my new employer as much as I like having my new union look down their nose at me. I like being told I "won the lottery". These things make me want to be a team player and really embrace that warrior spirit.

Any SW pilot who bitches about losing seniority is insane. How many of our pilots were stapled below you....STAPLED. What would make you happy, having stapled all of us?

This resentment is never going away for a whole lot of us and that's squarely SWAPA.

 

[HowardBorden]

Freightdog's opinion is not at all uncommon among the disenfranchised AirTran pilots, myself included. You can't piss all over a select group and expect any allegiance whatsoever.

To expect even a bit of locality at this point would be ridiculous.

Not asking for allegiance or loyalty, only to act in your own best interest.

What seems to be so inexplicably lost is the fact that all our fates are irrevocably intertwined at this point.

By all means feel free to be upset, peeved, or pitch a tantrum for all I care, the only thing I ask is when it comes time to cast a ballot you look out for your own best interest which in turn will be looking out for mine whether any of us likes it or not.

 

[waveflyer]

I like having my job threatened by my new employer as much as I like having my new union look down their nose at me. I like being told I "won the lottery". These things make me want to be a team player and really embrace that warrior spirit.

Any SW pilot who bitches about losing seniority is insane. How many of our pilots were stapled below you....STAPLED. What would make you happy, having stapled all of us?

This resentment is never going away for a whole lot of us and that's squarely SWAPA.

Good
You're senior to me-
You'll either medical out or get fired.

I firmly believe that it doesn't matter what I "wanted" anymore and it hasn't for years

 

[waveflyer]

Well said Howie

 

[ATLplt]

Well, there's been at least 5 Trannies that got fired while IN training. Couldn't make it through the FO program. Now 5 isn't a large number, but still a head scratcher.

5 guys? 5 out of 1000 on a study on your own, learn the 737 via apps you've bought off iTunes and an AOM that tells you NOTHING about systems? I'd think that's an amazing accomplishment. This is hardly an FO program. You're getting a full type sitting in the left and right seat for portions of your ride...minus the 2-3 weeks of systems (CBT's) you get in OAL type programs. Not to mention, the days of "what's your favorite limitation?" are over. Most type orals lately are 2 hours plus per person. Southwest has one of the worst training programs for people that know nothing about a 737, yet 99.9 percent have made it through.

 

[freightdogfred]

A change from 32% down to 66%?

I wish I could claim the opposite gain of 66% up to 32%! But unfortunately nobody can. You got bought by a carrier FIVE times your size. To think you would keep something close to relative seniority is not based in reality. Sorry.

I wish you could too. But you did gain something. All SW pilots did. And as much as wavey likes to claim he got nuttin outta this deal, he did. More seniority, plain and simple. I keep hearing on here that "GK's not done yet" on acquiring another carrier. I doubt the next group's gonna want to sit down and eat pizza after watching the way this went down. My .02 cents anyways

 

[waveflyer]

Yawn...

 

[SWA Bubba]

I like having my job threatened by my new employer as much as I like having my new union look down their nose at me. I like being told I "won the lottery". These things make me want to be a team player and really embrace that warrior spirit.

Any SW pilot who bitches about losing seniority is insane. How many of our pilots were stapled below you....STAPLED. What would make you happy, having stapled all of us?

This resentment is never going away for a whole lot of us and that's squarely SWAPA.

Well, there you go.

That's a great plan you got there, Clyde: act like a petulant child for the rest of your career, regardless of how it affects you and your bottom line. How old are you again?

Bubba

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Hey, Clyde. Make sure you keep it up while in training. I'd like to see it at at least 6. Shouldn't be too tough for you to get the boot with your great attitude and maturity.