AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[waveflyer]

Ok you do the math and see if I am wrong here. I was going to retire at number 33 on the list before the acquisition. I am now going to retire at number 84.

Taking into account that the combined airline is larger should allow the same percentage increase in the pilot list to go ahead of me to the tune of 9.9 on my retirement day I should be retiring at number 43.

Every year that I am here my relative seniority becomes worse due to airtran having a much younger pilot group.

You are right though I was wrong about the number I lost. It was over 50% of my seniority by the time I retire.

Different numbers, but ditto.

 

[tankerhead]

Last PC check air person said training not wowed by FAT pilots...gotta get thru upgrade and UOE with that bias??? I'd personally fly SWA FO for a while and get some of the AT stank off...hey but it's your license...

And the rest of the professional aviation world is not "wowed" by the RSW talent lately. Right?

 

[Ty Webb]

Last PC check air person said training not wowed by FAT pilots...gotta get thru upgrade and UOE with that bias??? I'd personally fly SWA FO for a while and get some of the AT stank off...hey but it's your license...

Did they tell you that on your first try, MJ, or your second? Sounds like the kind of tale told to Dumbo so that he could fly, too.
. :laugh:

 

[redflyer65]

Well, there's been at least 5 Trannies that got fired while IN training. Couldn't make it through the FO program. Now 5 isn't a large number, but still a head scratcher.

 

[Ualexpress]

There won't be a 'cut' if there aren't any vacancies. I wouldn't count my chickens just yet.

Just shows what a tool CF is more than anything.

There was a memo that came out yesterday stating there will be 144 upgrades awarded for the March vacancy that all AirTran pilots will be able to bid for. I assume that was the reason CF started this thread. There will be many 717 captains that will transition captain to captain. This was also addressed in the AirTran version of the memo, it was left out of the SWA version of the memo.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, there's been at least 5 Trannies that got fired while IN training. Couldn't make it through the FO program. Now 5 isn't a large number, but still a head scratcher.

5 out of 1000 is one-half of one percent. While one would hope there wouldn't be any, but that number is statistically insignificant.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, there's been at least 5 Trannies that got fired while IN training. Couldn't make it through the FO program. Now 5 isn't a large number, but still a head scratcher.

5 out of 1000 is one-half of one percent. While one would hope there wouldn't be any, that number is statistically insignificant.

 

[freightdogfred]

Well, there's been at least 5 Trannies that got fired while IN training. Couldn't make it through the FO program. Now 5 isn't a large number, but still a head scratcher.

Even you have to admit the WN initial is not set up for non-typed pilots. So really these guys were on their own from the start. So in reality, FL failure rate to date is less than 1%. Most training departments would be pretty ok with that percentage but WN's is not "wowed" by it as you say. What is the failure rate for typed guys hired thru the normal pool?

 

[mayoplane]

If you are so unhappy.....


Delta is hiring! I'm a big fan.

American? United?

 

[scoreboardII]

After the way things went down does anyone really expect to see a unified group?

Yes, or do you propose we roll over and let management win?

 

[redflyer65]

5 out of 1000 is one-half of one percent. While one would hope there wouldn't be any, but that number is statistically insignificant.

So hypothetically, if an 717 CA can bid 737 CA, and gets the bid. Starts training in say Jan or Feb for a March vacancy. And then fails the upgrade, where does he go? He was never a FO per the CBA. The street? That's what happened to the FO's that failed a pretty easy training curriculum. What happens if the 717 guy struggles in the 300 sim? Could be interesting.

Training set up for a 'typed' pilot? You've got to be kidding. If you mildly pay attention you get thru the street FO program. CA program is a little different animal.

 

[humveedriver]

This thread is completely unrepresentative of life on the line at SWA or the unity of all work groups against a profit before people management team. The main gripe is the dysfunction of the flight ops department or more specifically the availability of aircraft vs daily flights and the impact that has on crew scheduling. Most people ask me if I'm excited about upgrading in January and I tell them in not senior enough to do that. Nor do I want to. This thread was a nice rehash of events though. Gee I lost seniority too in an airline merger. News at 11'.

 

[redflyer65]

And there will most likely be another purchase to go. Let's all keep our powder dry so we can bitch about that one too...

It's coming guys.

 

[madjack]

Didn't mean any hurt feelings just passing on info, you on the line yet Ty??

 

[airksk]

If there is a statistically large number of qualified pilots failing a training program, that's generally a problem with the program. The 737 is not that difficult to learn.

 

[Ty Webb]

Didn't mean any hurt feelings just passing on info, you on the line yet Ty??

I had an ATL ATC guy on my jumpseat not too long ago. I didn't post his comments, because, well, because Ty is more suave and deboner than that. :laugh:

Nope, still here, but back on reserve for the first time in ten years . . . time to start making my way towards the door.

 

[-9Capt]

What happens if the 717 guy struggles in the 300 sim? Could be interesting.

I'd bet that 90% of the 717 capts that are senior enough to hold capt in the initial 144 bid likely have a few thousand hrs in the DC9 or 737-200. Prob not the first time they've sat left seat behind round dials.

Training set up for a 'typed' pilot? You've got to be kidding. If you mildly pay attention you get thru the street FO program. CA program is a little different animal.

Yeah, "pay attention" to that informative video on how to pack your suitcase, I hear they really hammer you about that during the oral.

 

[freightdogfred]

Yes, or do you propose we roll over and let management win?

Ha Ha...cause SWAPA's done so much to build unity between the groups

Ye reap what ye sow

 

[waveflyer]

Ha Ha...cause SWAPA's done so much to build unity between the groups

Ye reap what ye sow

And so will you....so?....
Are you now taking satisfaction in your own lesser contract?

 

[waveflyer]

. Gee I lost seniority too in an airline merger. News at 11'.

Exactly