AirTran BOD pulls TA

[Lear70]

That's EXACTLY what it means.

You should have seen the look on Dave Asche's face when he read that and re-wread that with Skipper sitting across the table and they both looked at each other like "Oh sh*t,,, how could we have missed that?"

They don't like to talk about it at the road shows... which, by the way, are now canceled until further notice pending new negotiations week after next.

This would solve the company's monthly integration problems for them (well, at least 90% of them). You want line #1? Sorry, that gives you a 30/7 conflict, you don't get your first choice, let's look at #2,,, oh,,, sorry, that leaves you with a 1 in 7 day off requirement, can't have that either. Ohhh, here's this lovely CDO line that has no conflicts. Enjoy your standups, Captain!

Not to mention NEVER being able to time out. I did that one year, was grueling but having a full month off was nice. Won't do it again but some people would like to. Not with this T.A., you'd automatically end up on a CDO or Reserve line for Christmas and New Year's.

Good catch, most people missed that one - including me. Had a CA point it out to me.

p.s. For those of you who don't have MS Word, the link at the bottom of my posts has the 2-page bulletpoints on what's wrong with this thing as well as a 40-page long document referencing section by section what's wrong in detail, both now in PDF format instead of MS Word. Happy reading!

 

[Pancho]

Good news, just heard from a "very reliable source" (snicker) that John Schroll and Dave Sabby have thrown their hat in the ring as replacement candidates. They have already identified a full time labor attorney to negotiate and will have two paralegals there during negotiations to head off Kolski's misdirection plays as he attempts to water down the new CBA with statements like "well our intent was..." They also have plans to change the dues structure so it is based off of base pay only. No additional punishment via higher union dues, for working extra. A bunch of other really good stuff as well. We need to get AP, SH, CK, DA and HH recalled quickly so they cannot strike a(nother?) backdoor deal with the company on a TA on July 10. I hate to go down this road as I have served with a union in a previous life. I fully realize how thankless the job is. My previous experiences have also helped me to realize just how abominable if not criminal a job AP and this negotiating commitee have done. I can only surmise it is either abject incompetence or outright deceit and corruption. I'm not sure of which one to believe but both are absolutely unacceptable going forward. Please spread the word about Schroll and Sabby. I'm guessing if anyone has concerns about voting for a recall, this should abate their fears.

 

[cl65capt]

Good catch, most people missed that one - including me. Had a CA point it out to me.

I wish I could take credit for it but I didnt find it, capt I just finished flying with did. Its just another example of just how useless our NC is and why they need to go before July 10th. This is only one line and the potential impact is huge. How many other one liners are hiding in this thing? Has anyone considered taking the current contract and the pay rates from the TA and puting that to a vote. I know thats overly simple and there is some language that needs to be cleaned up but it would sure as hell be better than what AP and the gang just tried to sell us.

 

[bestpilot]

I want Best Pilot to negotiate for us. I don't think mgmt can speak that language therfore we could always win the "intent" argument

I aintz gotzta skillz ta beee up in all dat. Cept likes maybee ifn I wuz ta likez bringz da brewskies, an likez me an ole Koolski couldz like swill a few coldies but goodies, kinda like ta git hiz mind right an stuff ya dig?


Waht we gotz heere iz a failyure to cummuniicate!!!!


Da Trannies an da mannies needz to show da luv! An like show dat luvvin on paper an stuff!


AWWWWW YEAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mertz72]

Lets get this recall thing going. I've got the forms printed off and am ready to start. I think it's important to get these signatures before these guys meet on the 10th, or we may end up with a backdoored (not sure if thats a word, but hey) TA.

 

[ATLDRVR]

I guess John Schroll will no longer be a check airman if he runs for the union position?

 

[Just thinking]

I have printed off the copies of the petition... Do you want me to solicit additional signatures or just sign my name and send it in? Will gladly engage all that I will come in contact with. Almost three years as a dues payer but I consider myself new to union wheelings and dealings. I do know when I am being lied to. I can rationally read factual information and discern what is reasonable and what is BS. I am tired of being the excuse for the failure of the BOD and NC...."we have a weak members and this is the best we could do." Sorry... that weal excuse does not cut the mustard with me. Strong leaders have strong followers. In time I will seek a leadership role within this union but I have much to learn. I believe in this pilot group. I believe in our product and I am proud of my contributions to this company. I will not be a fool for the union leadership OR the company. I know that we will succeed in our endeavor. The blythe comments by the BOD does not show any form of respect for the very people that have paid them handsomely for a TA that was a sham. Take the unions initial proposal and tweak that one instead of trying to tweak the TA that we had for a vote. A vote that was taken away out of fear of a resounding NO VOTE which would have spoken volumes.

 

[Pancho]

It is my understanding that each petition can have multiple signatures (emp. numbers and dates.) The signatures have to be no older than sixty days. Each employee should only sign one petition. So we can be sure when we have the requisite fifteen percent to commence the recall vote. I hope this answers your question. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong and thanks for your help with the recall effort.

 

[Ty Webb]

Every major decision AP has made since the Christmas debacle has been wrong. He has surrounded himself with "Yes Men" and is completely and utterly out of touch with the pilot group, and he needs to be recalled before he does any more damage.

I'm faxing in today the signatures I have collected.


;

 

[gearup5]

add surapine to the recall list. That dude is full of sh..t.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

add surapine to the recall list. That dude is full of sh..t.

and full of himself.

 

[SkiFishFly]

ain't that the truth!