Age 65 Retirement passes House 390-0

[densoo]

Seven.

 

[Monster Buck]

I think we all got that. With the seniority most of us will have at 60 we can choose to work nearly part time with benefits, expecially with the GOP's counteroffer today to raise the Medicare eligibility age to 67.

I'm just counting down the days until we start seeing some movement because, as poking yourself in the eye with a stick, it feels so good when you stop.

and so it begins.....the age 65er group will now lobby for this....67

 

[tomgoodman]

The "third rail"

...the GOP's counteroffer today to raise the Medicare eligibility age to 67.

Congress has made previous attempts to shift some Medicare costs to seniors, e.g. in 1989. Whether or not it was a good idea, the backlash was so severe that they fled (literally):

As the Chicago Tribune reported the next day, Aug. 19, 1989:
Congressman Dan Rostenkowski, one of the most powerful politicians in the United States, was booed and chased down a Chicago street Thursday morning by a group of senior citizens after he refused to talk with them about federal health insurance. Shouting "coward," "recall" and "impeach," about 50 people followed the chairman of the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee up Milwaukee Avenue after he left a meeting in the auditorium of the Copernicus Center, 3106 N. Milwaukee Ave., in the heart of his 8th Congressional District on the city's Northwest Side.

Eventually, the 6-foot-4-inch Rostenkowski cut through a gas station, broke into a sprint and escaped into his car, which minutes earlier had one of the elderly protesters, Leona Kozien, draped over the hood. Kozien, one of more than 100 senior citizens who attended the gathering, said she had hoped to talk to Rostenkowski, her congressman, at the meeting.

But Rostenkowski clearly did not want to talk with her, or any of the others who had come to tell their complaints about the high cost of federal catastrophic health insurance. "These people don't understand what the government is trying to do for them," the 61-year-old congressman complained as he tried to outpace his pursuers.

 

[densoo]

To pilots everywhere, from the CFI waiting to get hired by a regional to the widebody FO waiting to upgrade to the CA wanting to move up a few numbers to improve quality of life, the long pause is over. Ladies and gentlemen, resume your career progression.

 

[jonjuan]

To pilots everywhere, from the CFI waiting to get hired by a regional to the widebody FO waiting to upgrade to the CA wanting to move up a few numbers to improve quality of life, the long pause is over. Ladies and gentlemen, resume your career progression.

Huh? You do realize that there are thousands in their late 50s ready to stay thru 65? Stagnation will continue for YEARs.

 

[densoo]

Huh? You do realize that there are thousands in their late 50s ready to stay thru 65? Stagnation will continue for YEARs.

Retirements resume today where they left off five years go. Stagnation and no hiring due to no retirements for five years has ended.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

He's still doing those? I think I got one from him a decade ago. My favorite part was where he talked about how his career would have been even better if he had scabbed at CAL in the '80s. Such a great guy.

Was that before or after you paid 20K for your job at Gulfstream?

 

[HA25]

Retirements resume today where they left off five years go. Stagnation and no hiring due to no retirements for five years has ended.

but in effect the damage was done.... we still lose, and we all now have to work to 65 to get the same career we had 5 years ago... Sure I'm happy, but it's still a massive windfall for those who got it, and a massive loss for those of us in our 30's and 40's..

BTW, what about the timing of that crash of the LR25 being piloted by a 78 year old on the final day of the 65 sunset? Not jumping to conclusions but can't help but notice the irony.

 

[BrickTop]

To pilots everywhere, from the CFI waiting to get hired by a regional to the widebody FO waiting to upgrade to the CA wanting to move up a few numbers to improve quality of life, the long pause is over. Ladies and gentlemen, resume your career progression.

Brilliant.....

 

[eaglesview]

Huh? You do realize that there are thousands in their late 50s ready to stay thru 65? Stagnation will continue for YEARs.

Cmon now, try to keep up.

 

[HA25]

Cmon now, try to keep up.

brilliance isn't required for the ATP yet.. hang in there.

 

[flyboyike]

Retirements resume today where they left off five years go. Stagnation and no hiring due to no retirements for five years has ended.

Thanks be to the almighty or whatever equivalent thereof.

 

[Flopgut]

but in effect the damage was done.... we still lose, and we all now have to work to 65 to get the same career we had 5 years ago... Sure I'm happy, but it's still a massive windfall for those who got it, and a massive loss for those of us in our 30's and 40's...

Junior pilots are in a lot better shape than you think. All that had to happen was for seniority progression to resume. That is key; The whole dynamic shifts now. For 5 damn years no one could entertain the thought they could advance, and the wrinkly-old-guy imperative sucked evey bit of life out of this profession. That is OVER.

Old guys don't like this comparison, but it is spot on. The example to be followed as we repair this profession can be seen in how pilot groups went on to recover from broken strikes. Crossing the picket line was an enormous windfall for the scabs just like changing the retirement age was for old guys. What they both did was damn near the same and yes, a massive loss for all of us. But the "strike" is over so to speak. Now mgts, the FAA, our unions and individual pilot groups can be treated equally. The time of celebrating old guys is over. Just like scabs, everybody knows why they are sitting where they are, and NO ONE will be interested in seeing them get another windfall at the expense of others again. Now everybody gets a shot again.

 

[flyboyike]

Junior pilots are in a lot better shape than you think. All that had to happen was for seniority progression to resume. That is key; The whole dynamic shifts now. For 5 damn years no one could entertain the thought they could advance, and the wrinkly-old-guy imperative sucked evey bit of life out of this profession. That is OVER.

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. I fear the economy is headed for a second (if not third) dip, which will put many of us on the street yet again. Had all those people actually advanced in 2007-2008, things might have been different.

 

[HA25]

Junior pilots are in a lot better shape than you think. All that had to happen was for seniority progression to resume. That is key; The whole dynamic shifts now. For 5 damn years no one could entertain the thought they could advance, and the wrinkly-old-guy imperative sucked evey bit of life out of this profession. That is OVER.

Old guys don't like this comparison, but it is spot on. The example to be followed as we repair this profession can be seen in how pilot groups went on to recover from broken strikes. Crossing the picket line was an enormous windfall for the scabs just like changing the retirement age was for old guys. What they both did was damn near the same and yes, a massive loss for all of us. But the "strike" is over so to speak. Now mgts, the FAA, our unions and individual pilot groups can be treated equally. The time of celebrating old guys is over. Just like scabs, everybody knows why they are sitting where they are, and NO ONE will be interested in seeing them get another windfall at the expense of others again. Now everybody gets a shot again.

yep, only instead of being 37 and about to enter the prime of my life in a good position... I'm now 43 and doing so.... anyway it is what it is.

 

[OHGOON]

yep, only instead of being 37 and about to enter the prime of my life in a good position... I'm now 43 and doing so.... anyway it is what it is.

43? Now that is old. Ancient in dog years...You will never recover, condemned to dog food and food stamps. What will you do???(desperate hand-wringing)

Relax, we all will continue to get screwed by this fantastic career choice we made. It's inevitable, why should you be any different?:bawling:

 

[flyboyike]

43? Now that is old. Ancient in dog years...You will never recover, condemned to dog food and food stamps. What will you do???(desperate hand-wringing)

Relax, we all will continue to get screwed by this fantastic career choice we made. It's inevitable, why should you be any different?:bawling:

It's one thing to be screwed by the "career choice", but it's quite another to be screwed by one's own older "brothers". I can't speak for HA25, but I'm 37 now, and am rapidly approaching my "sell by" date. As far as career progression is concerned, the last five years (in my opinion critical years) were a total waste, so my plan is to pay off my house as soon as possible (hopefully before I'm 50), so I can bow out of this game by 55, preferably sooner. Two reasons for that: one is that I no longer see myself making it anywhere near high enough in this profession to make staying to the end particularly worthwhile, and the other is that I refuse to use the fact that I got screwed as an excuse to screw those behind me.

But that's just me.

 

[Flopgut]

HA and FlyboyIke: You're both in real good spots. Won't be long now...

 

[pilotyip]

43? Now that is old. Ancient in dog years...You will never recover, condemned to dog food and food stamps. What will you do???(desperate hand-wringing)

Relax, we all will continue to get screwed by this fantastic career choice we made. It's inevitable, why should you be any different?:bawling:

By 43, I was on my 4th job in 10 years, and I sill had another 7 jobs to go to get where I am today, a non-sked at KYIP. It has been a ball

 

[Green]

By 43, I was on my 4th job in 10 years, and I sill had another 7 jobs to go to get where I am today, a non-sked at KYIP. It has been a ball

You must be a late bloomer. I started my 6th airline at 32...lol