Age 65 Retirement passes House 390-0

[Crossky]

Link to this i found

http://faculty.kfupm.edu.sa/coe/gutub/english_misc/retire1.htm

WOW, if that survey is accurate, that's nuts.

Maybe I should pay more attention to those Dennis Hopper ads. Retire at 50, and definitely be able to play more golf than at 65 . . .

 

[Shutr9]

I agree with the majority of pilots on this board, and the overwhelming majority of ALPA pilots. ALPA has blatantly ignored its membership and let us down. The extension of retirement age will do irreparable damage to our labor force long term. Contract leverage will be instantly reduced, existing pensions will be further damaged, career advancement for F/O's and seniority advancement for everyone will be degraded. These are the immediate and tangible issues, which don't begin to address the body fatigue and health issues of an admittedly experienced, but undoubtedly tired portion of the pilot group. Our group as a whole is already pushed to extremes by our current FAA duty limits and the continued efforts of crew scheduling to be more efficient. Current pilot mortality rates exceed that of the population, they aren't going to improve by flying after age 60.

Understanding that there are pilots who are benefited by the change, they are severely outnumbered by those who are adversely affected.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

How old were those pilots for that Continental Regional who failed to hold short of runways 22L/R the other day at EWR??? Sad truth is any pilot young or old can be fatigued or mentally lacking. But there are more stories of experienced pilots who've saved the day too... AGE 65 finally brings us into the 20th Century and ICAO standards. Now lets all get over it and move on. All those who have to wait 5 years to upgrade, well, y'all get to work until 65 now so what's the difference? I like the linear graphics on retirement age and longevity of life. My guess is those who retired early were well-off and therefore able to lead a more stressfree life; maybe you should've gotten an income breakdown of those who retired early-- I'll bet you the other linear scale is rich retire early live long have decent health care, poor retire late have crappy health care die early...

 

[Jonny Sacko]

How old were those pilots for that Continental Regional who failed to hold short of runways 22L/R the other day at EWR???

Almost the same age as the idiots that stuffed probes up their asses and on their wrists and flew across the country and back almost killing 150.. no make that 145 people. Who cares about them.

 

[DashTrash400]

All those who have to wait 5 years to upgrade, well, y'all get to work until 65 now so what's the difference?

Really? Freaking sweet! I was planning on being on a sailboat doing some rum-soaked cruising through the tropics right about then but you're totally right, another five years of work to make up for all that career stagnation sounds WAY funner! Thanks for reminding us to always look on the bright side of life!

 

[batsky2000]

How old were those pilots for that Continental Regional who failed to hold short of runways 22L/R the other day at EWR??? Sad truth is any pilot young or old can be fatigued or mentally lacking. But there are more stories of experienced pilots who've saved the day too... AGE 65 finally brings us into the 20th Century and ICAO standards. Now lets all get over it and move on. All those who have to wait 5 years to upgrade, well, y'all get to work until 65 now so what's the difference? I like the linear graphics on retirement age and longevity of life. My guess is those who retired early were well-off and therefore able to lead a more stressfree life; maybe you should've gotten an income breakdown of those who retired early-- I'll bet you the other linear scale is rich retire early live long have decent health care, poor retire late have crappy health care die early...

EXACTLY!!!! We will Finally follow ICAO like the rest of the world considering that we are part of ICAO, it is funny how often we don't follow the rest of the world when changes happen.

I also agree that people are living longer, and accidents happen at any age, pilots screw up young and old, so age is not a factor like many profess

I have flown for a Part 121 airline and now fly for a Part 135 Airline, the 2 rules are very much the same and in some places, P135 is more restrictive, but in P135, there is no age limit, never has been, so you guys that say that it is unsafe for a pilot to fly past 60 for a commercial airline, There are plenty of over 60 pilots flying for P135 operators all over, if it is safe to fly large jets for a P135 company to destinations all over the world, then it is safe to fly the same at an airline

Heck, you can't get government benefits till 65, so this makes sense in that respect too

 

[ex-nutjeter]

Totally Agree!!!! About time

 

[jke406]

AGE 65 finally brings us into the 20th Century and ICAO standards. ...

Sweet Jeezus, ICAO includes places like France, third world countries, etc. etc.

Since when do we want to emulate those idiots?

We should aspire to something much higher than the international standard. We just got sold out, there are no two ways about it. Feel free to go work in an ICAO country if that's all you want. Good luck with that.

 

[ex-nutjeter]

Sweet Jeezus, ICAO includes places like France, third world countries, etc. etc.

Since when do we want to emulate those idiots?

We should aspire to something much higher than the international standard. We just got sold out, there are no two ways about it. Feel free to go work in an ICAO country if that's all you want. Good luck with that.

You must be the idiot, do your homework, we are an ICAO nation, in fact we have 2 members on the voting council, it makes perfect sense to follow ICAO policies since we vote them in

 

[jke406]

You must be the idiot, do your homework, we are an ICAO nation, in fact we have 2 members on the voting council, it makes perfect sense to follow ICAO policies since we vote them in

I'm advocating that we should strive for something higher than the international standard. It hasn't bothered the US to have it's own, non-ICAO conforming idiosincracies in other areas, but now, all of a sudden, we should conform?

And I'm the idiot?

Congratulations on being able to fly during your retirement, old timer. Hope it's everything you dreamed it would be.

 

[Flopgut]

Totally Disagree!!!!

NJA is a non-sked, fair wx operation of which the sum total of operating hours since inception barely compares to one year of FAR121 ops.

FAR 121 pilots are being forced to be more productive than ever in increasingly harsher environments. Age 60 is a rule with a perfect record. CAL has had 3 on duty heart attacks in 2007, one fatal. It's not the time to be messing with this rule and if anyone actually cared about the safety data this wouldn't be happening like this.

 

[B737 Guy]

AGE 65 finally brings us into the 20th Century and ICAO standards.

If you want ICAO standards, then move to an ICAO country!

Now lets all get over it and move on. All those who have to wait 5 years to upgrade, well, y'all get to work until 65 now so what's the difference?

Wow, that's the best "I've got mine translation ever."
Coming from an airline that doesn't even have a union and tried to bend the FAR's to get transcon turns, I'm not really surprised by your comments.

 

[Superpilot92]

Totally Disagree!!!!

NJA is a non-sked, fair wx operation of which the sum total of operating hours since inception barely compares to one year of FAR121 ops.

FAR 121 pilots are being forced to be more productive than ever in increasingly harsher environments. Age 60 is a rule with a perfect record. CAL has had 3 on duty heart attacks in 2007, one fatal. It's not the time to be messing with this rule and if anyone actually cared about the safety data this wouldn't be happening like this.

Well just wait till these guys are past sixty lugging their roller boards up and down stairs and across terminals, the heart attacks will increase. I don't wish ill will on anyone but it cant be good for you to be doing all these things everyday while in your sixties.

 

[batsky2000]

Are you kidding? It is called exercise, when i travel, I notice the fat pilots take the train to their terminal, I on the other hand walk to my terminal along with the not so fat pilots, just imagine if every pilot walked between terminal a to d at ATL, heartt attack, what are you smokin, its good exercise, not stress

And for the last time, we are an ICAO Country, with 2 seats on the voting board, in fact, this bill allows both pilots to be over 60 in the cockpit, while the ICAO rule alows only 1 pilot to be over 60, the other pilot has to be under 60, so their rule is more restrictive than the bill that just passed

 

[PCL_128]

All those who have to wait 5 years to upgrade, well, y'all get to work until 65 now so what's the difference?

Gee, that sounds wonderful! Thanks for the opportunity.

Perhaps you like the idea of cleaning the trash off the cabin floor while sporting your goat-tee into your golden years, but most of us would prefer to be sitting on a sailboat in the caribbean at age 60. Now, if we choose to do that, we'll lose quite a bit of money from the delayed upgrade and loss of compounded interest. Yeah, sounds like a great deal.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Tequila makes me feel much better.

 

[pilotyip]

Union can fix it

Gee, that sounds wonderful! Thanks for the opportunity.

Perhaps you like the idea of cleaning the trash off the cabin floor while sporting your goat-tee into your golden years, but most of us would prefer to be sitting on a sailboat in the caribbean at age 60. Now, if we choose to do that, we'll lose quite a bit of money from the delayed upgrade and loss of compounded interest. Yeah, sounds like a great deal.

Get it in your contract that pilots have to retire at age 60 with full pay at your airline. You could still get that sailboat at age 60, you may change your mind at 60

 

[PCL_128]

Get it in your contract that pilots have to retire at age 60 with full pay at your airline. You could still get that sailboat at age 60, you may change your mind at 60

Any such clauses in contracts will cause the unions to get hit with massive amounts of DFR lawsuits.

 

[Nindiri]

I'm just glad we were able to get rid of dangerously senile old guys like Hoot Gibson, Barry Schiff, and Al Haynes. Just imagine if they had been allowed to fly up until 65.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I'm just glad we were able to get rid of dangerously senile old guys like Hoot Gibson, Barry Schiff, and Al Haynes. Just imagine if they had been allowed to fly up until 65.

Add Bob Hoover and Chuck Yaeger to that list.