Age 60 Back Again!!!!

[ferlo]

ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO RAISING THE AGE 60 RULE!!!!


These are the people that are going to decide if the unprepared senior guys should be allowed to sell us all down the river. Contact them and voice your opinion.

NO ON S.65!!!!!
The U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation has initiated a surprise attempt to forward legislation to the full Senate affecting the age 60 mandatory airline pilot retirement age. Members of the committee have crafted legislation which would raise the U.S. pilot retirement age in order to match a proposed European standard airline pilot retirement age. This legislation will be addressed by the committee during a mark-up session on Nov. 17. The members of this Senate committee are:

Ted Stevens - Chairman - Alaska
John McCain - Arizona
Conrad Burns - Montana
Trent Lott - Mississippi
Kay Bailey Hutchison - Texas
Olympia Snowe - Maine
Gordon Smith - Oregon
John Ensign - Nevada
George Allen - Virginia
John Sununu - New Hampshire
Jim DeMint - South CarolinaDavid Vitter - Louisiana
Daniel K. Inouye - Vice Chairman - Hawaii
John D. Rockefeller IV - West Virginia
John F. Kerry - Massachusetts
Byron L. Dorgan - North Dakota
Barbara Boxer - California
Bill Nelson - Florida
Maria Cantwell - Washington
Frank Lautenberg - New Jersey
E. Benjamin Nelson - Nebraska
Mark Pryor - Arkansas​

All APA members should expect to receive a "legislative alert" via e-mail which will urge each of you to link to the APA Web site in order to send a faxed letter to any or all of these senators highlighting our safety concerns associated with any increase in the mandatory retirement age. This nationwide targeted lobbying effort is being coordinated with Air Line Pilots Association and other pilot groups.
The future of this legislation will be decided by these senators over the next two weeks. Your input has tremendous value -- use that influence and make a difference! As always, our legislative efforts are only as successful as the membership participation behind them.--Legislative Affairs Committee

 

[crashpad]

You guys are so funny! C'mon it really comesdown to safety, and we all know a pilot can fly safely until age 65.

 

[Flopgut]

Of course when I think of Capt's, I think of Delta/WAL or maybe even in the foggy past PAA. I thought most of the guys like your speaking of have left the industry?? Maybe it's just old age creeping in but what kind of airline do you work for anyway? Certainly today, the Delta crowd is very young and I would think that they would meet all your standards for civilitly. Maybe the General has an opinion on this since it seems a little out of place in todays airlines. Since Delta has such a young seniority list, does this behavior problem occur over there as well General?

One more thing regarding the young list at Delta. Why would anyone want to return if the list is so stagnent that there will be little if any movement for the next ten years? I would think that alone would be a show stopper for anyone looking at advancement even the minimal airline career.

Lowell Furgeson. Used to fly with him on occassionally on the MD11. Pretty good guy actually. Not sure but I think he may have passed away, or worse, been killed in an accident outside of aviation.

I work for Continental. I fly as FO for captains that got their start by answering Lorenzo's call (50% of the time at least). Of course, all things considered we are very lucky to have the airline we have. I realize how fortunate I am to be working. That does not diminish the fact that these pilots are among the last on earth who deserve more time as airline captains. Fortunately, I also get to fly with some CAL and TI strikers. There is no finer captains to work for than these folks. So there is a balance.

As far as stagnation goes, if we change age 60 to 65 or so, I think we will have all the airline pilots the world is going to need for a long time. (counting the ones on furlough) Technology is going to change this job in the very near future. Fred Smith is going to continue to work toward pilotless aircraft for FEDEX. That technology is going to translate to the longhaul widebody stuff quite nicely and that is where the money is for pilots. That technological reality is a long way off but the downward pressure from that sort of thing is going to closely follow the same downward pressure we will endure from outsourcing threats now. The days of working 25 years for a flag carrier and spending half of it in the left seat are about gone.

The people of Buffalo sure appreciated Fergusen for putting their town on the map for something. He was a good sport to go back there each year for however long he did. Must have been a pretty good guy.

 

[Jim Smyth]

Of course the guys at Jetblue and SWA want to repeal age 60. They don't have, and have never had a retirement.

So you made bad career choices or couldn't manage your money. That is your problem... Get a life losers!!

I don't see age 60 changing anytime soon. It probably will some day, but I don't see it changing for years.

Wrong! Ignorance at its finest!

We have a great retirement! We have a very generous 401K matching (7.3 percent) plus profit sharing thats been running 8 percent on average of your W2 for many years. Pilots have been capping out at the URSA Limits put in place by Uncle Sam for a long time. Most guys go out with Millions in retirement thats there money. No PBG&C to worry about here! Pretty smart choices if you ask me! Much better than your traditional retirement!

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Ya know, Pilots are very opinionated and think they know everything which leads to some very bad long range decesions.

Many, many years ago there was talk at ALPA to create a National Senority List. Major mistake. That was shot down because we are so smart! Now the airlines divide and conquer us and look where we are now. We argue about age 60 rule and everything else that divides us. We should have 1 pay rate for say a 737. If you want us to fly the airplane you pay the price, doesnt matter which airline you work for......"Same hourly rate". Loose your job at brand ex you have a number to be slotted in somewhere else based on time served and experiance aquired. Almost every other practice, Doctors/Laywers/Tradesmen/Police move laterially pay wise when they put there time in an earn experiance. They dont get whored out and stuck at the bottom at entry level wages when times get bad. Just something to ponder while we each slice each others throats..............

Maybe one generation will step up to the plate some day in the future. So far I havent seen it in my career.

 

[furloughed dude]

Jim,It's guys like you that cheapen the profession... 401k and profit sharing. So what happens when/if the profits stop? 401k. You call that a retirement?

 

[SWA/FO]

Guys like Jim that cheapen the profession? What about all the other carriers lowering the bar, daily...

A 401K is better then the PBG&C anyday...sadly, the folks at UAL couldn't part-take in a 401K because of their A & B funds, which now are lost..

 

[General Lee]

Guys like Jim that cheapen the profession? What about all the other carriers lowering the bar, daily...

A 401K is better then the PBG&C anyday...sadly, the folks at UAL couldn't part-take in a 401K because of their A & B funds, which now are lost..

Just because guys are unprepared and believed they would have a pension in the future, doesn't excuse the fact that they did not act fiscally responsible. Man, I bet that huge boat they bought a few years ago sure does suk a lot of expensive gas now! Time to sell it. And, this will be a great lesson for all of the current younger guys to watch. Save up and never believe you will get a pension. If you do, then great, but otherwise save like you will not get one.

The Supreme Court ruled once that the Age 65 rule wouldn't work (they would have to change the rules for policemen and firemen too), and it won't likely pass in the future. Most of the members of ALPA will vote against it too. It's just not safe in the long run.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[comrcap]

Thanks For Your Support!

ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO RAISING THE AGE 60 RULE!!!!


These are the people that are going to decide if the unprepared senior guys should be allowed to sell us all down the river. Contact them and voice your opinion.

NO ON S.65!!!!!
The U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation has initiated a surprise attempt to forward legislation to the full Senate affecting the age 60 mandatory airline pilot retirement age. Members of the committee have crafted legislation which would raise the U.S. pilot retirement age in order to match a proposed European standard airline pilot retirement age. This legislation will be addressed by the committee during a mark-up session on Nov. 17. The members of this Senate committee are:

Ted Stevens - Chairman - Alaska​

John McCain - Arizona
Conrad Burns - Montana
Trent Lott - Mississippi
Kay Bailey Hutchison - Texas
Olympia Snowe - Maine
Gordon Smith - Oregon
John Ensign - Nevada
George Allen - Virginia
John Sununu - New Hampshire
Jim DeMint - South CarolinaDavid Vitter - Louisiana
Daniel K. Inouye - Vice Chairman - Hawaii
John D. Rockefeller IV - West Virginia
John F. Kerry - Massachusetts
Byron L. Dorgan - North Dakota
Barbara Boxer - California
Bill Nelson - Florida
Maria Cantwell - Washington
Frank Lautenberg - New Jersey
E. Benjamin Nelson - Nebraska
Mark Pryor - Arkansas
All APA members should expect to receive a "legislative alert" via e-mail which will urge each of you to link to the APA Web site in order to send a faxed letter to any or all of these senators highlighting our safety concerns associated with any increase in the mandatory retirement age. This nationwide targeted lobbying effort is being coordinated with Air Line Pilots Association and other pilot groups.
The future of this legislation will be decided by these senators over the next two weeks. Your input has tremendous value -- use that influence and make a difference! As always, our legislative efforts are only as successful as the membership participation behind them.--Legislative Affairs Committee

Now we know who to call to SUPPORT S. 65!

 

[$$$4nothin]

I just called to let him know i was opposed, and his secretary sounded HOT. VERY VERY HOT.

 

[canyonblue]

For God's sake enough with the stupid "safety" aspect of it. Just be a man and say you oppose it because it will affect your, 1. Upgrade 2. Furlough 3. QOL or whatever you want to insert here. The one thing I hate hearing so much is the idiotic statement "it's unsafe". At least have some balls and say why you really oppose it. I could care less about it, but with these whiners it makes me want to call my congressman and support it, just because they come off like idiots in their argument.uke:

 

[General Lee]

For God's sake enough with the stupid "safety" aspect of it. Just be a man and say you oppose it because it will affect your, 1. Upgrade 2. Furlough 3. QOL or whatever you want to insert here. The one thing I hate hearing so much is the idiotic statement "it's unsafe". At least have some balls and say why you really oppose it. I could care less about it, but with these whiners it makes me want to call my congressman and support it, just because they come off like idiots in their argument.uke:

Be a man? Ok there chief. You need to acknowledge that by age 60 it is a vastly different ballgame compared to when you were a young wippersnapper like yourself. Think of how many landings and takeoffs your 60 year old WN captains have had? They are probably absolutely exhausted, worn out to the max, and have no hearing left. "What? What was that? Where are we? This is my 6th leg of the day and the 60000th leg this decade. Time to bring an EKG machine on every plane...." Most are not like that, but allowing a few is dangerous. You know I am right. Be a man about it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

Be a man? Ok there chief. You need to acknowledge that by age 60 it is a vastly different ballgame compared to when you were a young wippersnapper like yourself. Think of how many landings and takeoffs your 60 year old WN captains have had? They are probably absolutely exhausted, worn out to the max, and have no hearing left. "What? What was that? Where are we? This is my 6th leg of the day and the 60000th leg this decade. Time to bring an EKG machine on every plane...." Most are not like that, but allowing a few is dangerous. You know I am right. Be a man about it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Typical General Lee comment.uke: Worn out Captains? You are a moron, lets celebrate 6000 posts. 6000 comments of crap. Thanks for swaying my decision, if only to wreck your miserable life..

 

[sf260pilot]

Who on this thread opposes Age 60 because of personal gain in your 30-40's, i.e. it will take longer to upgrade? Who opposes this because you really want to get fired for turning 60 in the height of your income earning years?
This whole issue has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that C.R, Smith used his son-in-law to help him bust a union rule. They just used the training stuff as an excuse. I beleive that most young guys who oppose age 60 now, will be pi$$ed off around their 60th birthday.

 

[Draginass]

AA has an A & B Fund and a 401k.

Guys like Jim that cheapen the profession? What about all the other carriers lowering the bar, daily...

A 401K is better then the PBG&C anyday...sadly, the folks at UAL couldn't part-take in a 401K because of their A & B funds, which now are lost..

 

[General Lee]

Typical General Lee comment.uke: Worn out Captains? You are a moron, lets celebrate 6000 posts. 6000 comments of crap. Thanks for swaying my decision, if only to wreck your miserable life..

Ah hahahahahhaha. I have succeeded again in making you mad. Mission accomplished. I can die happy. Dork! 6000 more are coming your way.

Bye Bye--General Lee