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Age 60 Back Again!!!!

ferlo

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ALPA IS BEING PREDICTABLY SILENT ON THIS

ISSUE AGAIN!


They took the survey, all ALPA pilots paid for it and the results were against raising age 60. These senior guys benefitted from AGE 60 since 1959, and now they want to pull up the ladder. I feel for many of them, but many others squandered their money in ex-wives, and toys. I'm not going to be stagnated another 5 years because of this.


CALL CONGRESSMAN JAMES GIBBONS, (ret. DAL) and let him know what you think. He is spearheading this thing and it will be voted on in this legislative session. He claims he has not heard any opposition about it. Lets let him know:

Jim Gibbons D.C. Office
202-225-6155

TELL THE SECRETARY THAT YOU ARE OPPOSSED TO S.65!!!





Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: APA Presidential Legislative Alert - Age 60


For those interested in keeping age 60. We all know where some of us stand so no need to slam one another anymore. We all know the issues.
Let the chips fall where they may......

Dano. ALPA DOH 1979


----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 7:32 PM
Subject: APA Presidential Legislative Alert - Age 60



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APA Presidential Legislative Alert - Age 60
November 4, 2005
Fellow Pilots,
The leadership of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee are now drafting a substitute bill for S.65 (which would raise the mandatory retirement age for Part 121 airline pilots). This legislation will be based on a proposed International Civil Aviation Organization standard of age 65 (even though all European countries have yet to agree to the proposal). The Committee is scheduled to mark-up this legislation on November 17, 2005.
Once again, these lawmakers are attempting to focus the debate on individual pilot financial considerations (e.g. terminated pension plans) and their perception of a "national pilot shortage" (while thousands sit on furlough).
Unfortunately, their arguments completely discount:
  • The longstanding safety benefits of the current "Age 60" rule;
  • Expert FAA medical testimony which supports no change to the current rule; and
  • The risk of more restrictive FAA pilot medical standards should this legislation be enacted.
It is the position of the Allied Pilots Association that neither economic pressures nor a desire to "standardize" with someone else’s mandatory pilot retirement age are acceptable reasons for lowering the level of safety in commercial airline operations.
We urge you to act now and contact members of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. Let them know that you strongly oppose any change to the current "Age 60" rule. Reiterate that the number one priority of the Senate must be the safety of the traveling public.
You can use the link provided at the end of this e-mail (you must first be logged into the APA Web site) to send a message to each member of the Senate committee.
It’s your career, it’s our profession. U.S. Senate legislators need to hear from you.
<A href="http://www.alliedpilots.org/Members/APA-CAPA_Legislative/Legisl_Action/sendFax_Age60.asp" target=_blank>Send a fax to the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee


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Silent? Guess you don't go to meetings or read the email they send.I was at a meeting just 4 weeks ago and heard DW say ALPA is against any changes to Age 60.
 
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SWAPA = for it.
 

Spooky 1

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"squandered money on ex-wives and toys." I have news for you buddy, I spent 95% of my income on fast women, fast cars, and fine wine. The other 5% I wasted. What's your problem?
 

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Yeah, all the same old dbags are still crying about it.

I'll be making a call and sending an email to the (dis)honorable Mr. Gibbons.

FJ
 

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I will be writing/voting according to my own particular circumstances and what I believe in - not what someone who does not know me or what I have done, tells me how I should view this issue. I know more than most, being an international pilot, how the rest of the world views it and also the history of how this came about in the US and the reasons for and against.

Always two sides to every story.....:)
 

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Tell ya what,

Lets change it to 65....BUT ONLY FOR NEWHIRES THAT START after say a DOH of 1/01/2006. The rest of us knew going in that we were out at 60 same for all the guys at the top that now want to hang around for awhile.

I also believe at UAL we need an up or out, way too many 25+ year widebody F/O's who cannot upgrade!

Happy to hang it up at 60, but I a afraid we will lose this one (hope I am wrong)

P.S. this is written by a 34 year old.
 

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RedDogC130 said:
Get out of here I need a job

ME 2 !!!

Preferably without ALPA assistance, control or involvment......unless of course I can be a voluntary dues paying member LOL.
 

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FutureTEDpilot said:
Tell ya what,

Lets change it to 65....BUT ONLY FOR NEWHIRES THAT START after say a DOH of 1/01/2006. The rest of us knew going in that we were out at 60 same for all the guys at the top that now want to hang around for awhile.

I also believe at UAL we need an up or out, way too many 25+ year widebody F/O's who cannot upgrade!

Happy to hang it up at 60, but I a afraid we will lose this one (hope I am wrong)

P.S. this is written by a 34 year old.

I don't have a dog in this fight but to be fair it seem that pilots younger than 40 and older than 50 should not have a say. Just joking, but this subject seems bring the worst out in all of us. I would imagine that a pilot with 10 years to go at just about any of the majors today, except AA might look at this a little differently than any pilot with possibly 20+ years to go. Since the whole age 60 package was based on flawed health and labor oriented issues, one has to wonder why this problem was not solved ealier than this. Looks like the Europeans (minus the French of course) are getting a handle on it slowly but surely.
 

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Raise it to 65

Nothing about the age 65 rule says a person HAS to keep flying until 65, it just allows those who wish to keep working the option.

Those who are against the rule can go ahead and retire when they turn 60
 

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It won't pass. If they changed it, they would have to change the mandatory retirement age for policemen and firemen too, and I don't want a 65 year old fireman to carry me out of my burning house over his shoulder. (My computer exploded from being on all of the time---on flightinfo.com)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Two sides for sure.I may want to work past 60 for somebody else.A nice 3 or 4 month contract every year would be fun.I flew with a 70 yr old ROPE the other day and he is sharper than most.
 

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Dizel8 said:
No repeal of age 60!


Wrong General Lee. Given enough time this will change. Proably just in time for you to take advantage of it. That rich wife of yours will probably run off with the pool man by the time your 50.

I wonder what the vote would today at Delta since most if not all of your retirement is gone? Might be a little different than it was four months ago?
The fact is, and still remains that this was not an economic issue when it was first established. It was a health issue that has been proven wrong from the git go, and still wrong today. Those who are dying to see the older guys move out are being short sighted as they will also benefit in the long run.
 

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Fine, change 60 to 65, but only for the group aged 21-35, since we take better care of ourselves and have a better medical history the FEDS can track.

Oh--but the 55-60 crowd would bitch and moan about that!

I had to interview retired Delta pilots at a Supplemental carrier, we would have furloughed bubbba's in the same room looking for work, my question to the retired DAL boys were...

WHY ARE YOU NOT OUT GOLFING OR SAILING? The job only paid 35K to start and I prefered to give the furloughed guys a shot, since they were still trying to feed their kids etc... THESE GUYS HAVE NO LIFE!!!!

I have also had a few 59 year old Captains that I flew with that were having problems landing at night, I think age 60 is where it needs to stay.

WE HAVE LIKE 8000+ Pilots on layoff? THINK ABOUT THAT FIRST THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT 65!
 

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Spooky 1 said:
Those who are dying to see the older guys move out are being short sighted as they will also benefit in the long run.

You are right, they certainly should love some more years of furlough!

The attitude is: I got mine, wait for yours!
 

General Lee

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Spooky 1 said:
Wrong General Lee. Given enough time this will change. Proably just in time for you to take advantage of it. That rich wife of yours will probably run off with the pool man by the time your 50.

I wonder what the vote would today at Delta since most if not all of your retirement is gone? Might be a little different than it was four months ago?
The fact is, and still remains that this was not an economic issue when it was first established. It was a health issue that has been proven wrong from the git go, and still wrong today. Those who are dying to see the older guys move out are being short sighted as they will also benefit in the long run.

You're wrong. The Supreme Court agrees with me. Ask the Southwest guys who went before them and LOST. This congressman has a bunch of senior buddies that want to stay around, and I think they will lose again.

And, this is still a health issue. I don't think many senior pilots out there are incredibly healthy, and at age 60 they are dangerous. Sad but true.

And, my wife can't have the pool boy, HE'S MINE, all MINE.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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This is hilarious. Sorta like standing back and squirting more charcoal lighter fluid on the fire. Yes General it will change, and yes Ted I want'a sue you for asking stupid questions in the interview process. Your both fuke'd and you don't even know it yet. Just like the DAL pilots, wishing and praying this is just a bad dream. General, you need to get a job sellings BMW's down in Buckhead. Ted, you need to get a life a job worth your incredible imagination about your self worth.

When both of you grow up to be adults, you will se the big picture. The good newws is neither of you are in it.

No flaming here!
 
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