Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[JimG]

i noticed the opposite. its the single people that dont know what its like to raise a child 24/7. they are the ones in the supermarket trying to tell some parent how to discipline their child when they have never been in their shoes. all they have to worry about is a cat at home.

I notice the same thing all the time. It's not just guys on this board.

BTW folks....we're talking about aeronautical pet peeves....let's get back to airplanes.

 

[TonyC]

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's??

I'm not single, and my mother is a very respectable woman. My parents had been married long before I was conceived, and they remained married until my father died.

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept, because it was used by my parents, and because I have personally found it to very effective when used at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. In fact, I would consider it abuse were I to arbitrarily remove that tool from my parenting repertoire.

Now, I must say that I empathize with the sentiment expressed that single adults or childless couples can sometimes come off sounding like the consummate experts at parenting. I confess that I have never known as much about parenting as I did before I had children. However, that phenomenon does not negate the fact that spanking is an important part of a complete approach to disciplining and childrearing. Even idiots get it right from time to time.

The line between discipline and abuse can be clear at some times, and very blurry at others. It's very difficult to instantly assess the motivation of a parent, but the motivation is the key difference. If the punishment is meted out because a loving parent is attempting to teach a child, it is appropriate. If the love is absent, or the motivation is to hurt or punish for punishment's sake, then it is abusive. Notice, the number of swats, the force with which they are delivered, the instrument of contact, many of those things that can be easily quantified and codified are NOT in and of themselves a reliable barometer of discipline vs. abuse. A single swift pop to a padded bottom delivered out of anger can be far more damaging than a dozen licks from a belt. Furthermore, it doesn't have to be physical to be abuse.


One must use caution, then, when witnessing the distribution of corporal punishment by parents they do not know. As I walk around the corner into a grocery store aisle and witness a mother slap a child's outstretched hand, I have no idea what events have preceded that slap, and little idea of the mother's motivation. There might have been a series of inappropriate behaviors followed by a warning that now required the delivery of a consequence promised. In that case, it would have been abuse for the mother to have withheld the promised consequence just because she saw me round the corner. On the other hand, she may be having a bad day, and struck out because she was irritated and annoyed, and the child was reaching for an attractive package on the shelf. Although the impact of the mother's palm on the child's hand would be identical to the former example, the latter would be considered abuse. How does an observer instantly judge the difference?


I have never hesitated to take my children dining with me, and I can't count the number of times my wife and I have been approached by complete strangers to compliment us on how well-behaved our children are. I don't think this would have been possible were it not for the application of a full range of discipline tools. All of our children know we mean business when we set a limit, and we are all much happier in that knowledge. That spanking didn't make them feel good at the time, but the good feelings they have about themselves now are well worth those little stings aling the way.


Sorry about the hijack, but it seems appropriate in a thread about pet peeves to dwell for a moment on a subject (and misconceptions) that hit a nerve. We now return you to Aeronautical Pet Peeves.




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[semperfido]

I have never hesitated to take my children dining with me, and I can't count the number of times my wife and I have been approached by complete strangers to compliment us on how well-behaved our children are. I don't think this would have been possible were it not for the application of a full range of discipline tools.



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yeah--like bribery

 

[dash8driver]

Someone should have smacked the $hit out of this tool a long time ago.

that might be what happened to him. here is a new place that saying applies. "one is too many, 1000 is never enough"..



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[dash8driver]

AvBug,

Your tone and demeanor in this statement is just a little troubling.

exactly.. talk about anger management issues. its highly doubtful that he is, was or ever would be a parent. if for some reason he ever were to become a parent, i doubt it would be for very long.

 

[dash8driver]

watch out tony, avbug is gonna beat you up!





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[Stifler's Mom]

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept,

Biblical concept???? Oh no, now we'll have to sort through 5 more pages of religious fighting before we switch gears again to Politics where somebody will ultimately blame Bush for "Spanking" as a form of discipline.

By the way, anybody know of any good BBQ? :beer:

 

[Tram]

MDQ - Meridianville, Al has some fine BBQ..

 

[Vector4fun]

Bravo Tony C., well said.

When and where I grew up, (1960s) it wasn't just parents who administered a little corporal punishment from time to time, it was my coachs, teachers, adult relatives, and perhaps even a neighbor if we were really out of line. I've been spanked with an open hand, slapped for a smart remark, paddled with a custom creation from the school wood shop, swatted with a fly-swatter and even whipped once or twice with a belt. And I certainly suffered less corporal punishment than many of my childhood friends.

I was never, not once, abused.

About 98% of those licks were well and truly earned. And to this day, they never stung near as much as some a$$-chewings I've suffered...

 

[gkrangers]

I skipped about 8 pages.

Ok, whats wrong with flying the G/S at 100kts in a 172? I guess approach would prefer 80 knots with a RJ or 737 crossing the outer marker behind me...?

I used to say with you, but don't anymore, thanks flightinfo.

Saying "cya" (not SEEEEEE YYYYYYAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAAATTTTTEEEEEEEEERRRRR), and wasting an extra .5 seconds of airtime, when its not busy, I am guilty of. Sorry if I have offended any of you. I'll go back to using good day/night, which is longer.

I'm also guilty of asking for a Yankees/Redsox score now and then...

 

[dash8driver]

yes, very well said tony... and very well spelt i might add.



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[CA1900]

Got a new one last week:

We're cruising along at about 210 in the mighty 1900. We're given a descent. PF pulls the power back far enough that...

A. The gear warning horn goes off and I have to silence it, and
B. The airplane slows down 20-30 knots very quickly as he slowly lowers the nose, making everybody slide forward in their seatbelts as we decelerate.

So now we're descending at 180, level-off time comes, and it's power jammed back up as the nose comes up, pushing everybody back down into their seats.

He did this several times in a row until I pointed it out to him. Then he said "Oh, OK" and did it some more. :uzi:


It's a turboprop. There's no reason at all to power back that much unless we're at high altitude, a few knots from the redline. If you're slowing down as you descend, you're doing it wrong.

Thank you.

 

[[email protected]]

Wow, If there is one thing that we are good at as pilots it's complaining. I can't lie though, I agree with most of those pet peeves

 

[pilotmiketx]

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept.

So when they're really bad, I guess you stone them or crucify them?

 

[pilotmiketx]

Got a new one last week:

We're cruising along at about 210 in the mighty 1900. We're given a descent. PF pulls the power back far enough that...

A. The gear warning horn goes off and I have to silence it, and
B. The airplane slows down 20-30 knots very quickly as he slowly lowers the nose, making everybody slide forward in their seatbelts as we decelerate.

So now we're descending at 180, level-off time comes, and it's power jammed back up as the nose comes up, pushing everybody back down into their seats.

He did this several times in a row until I pointed it out to him. Then he said "Oh, OK" and did it some more. :uzi:


It's a turboprop. There's no reason at all to power back that much unless we're at high altitude, a few knots from the redline. If you're slowing down as you descend, you're doing it wrong.

Thank you.

It's not complaining if it's about poor airmanship. I flew on a Saab 340 and the weather was widely scattered towering cumulus. The crew managed to hit the tops of every freaking cloud for 200 miles. Real professional guys.

 

[TonyC]

So when they're really bad, I guess you stone them or crucify them?

By Biblical concept I do not mean that it is mentioned somewhere in the Bible. While there is an incident where men are thrown into a fiery furnace as punishment, I will not do that with my children, as it is not advocated for the purpose of raising children. I will not throw my children into a pit, or into a lion's den, nor will I cut their ears off. I will not use a slingshot to throw stones at their foreheads, and I will not make them live in tents.


If you'll show me where the practices of stoning or crucifixion were advocated for the purpose of raising children, I'd love to discuss it.






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[pilotmiketx]

I will not make them live in tents.

That's for the Army to do.

 

[Ill Mitch]

Phoenix Air Transport...we got 4 of em

That used to be Catalina Flying Boats, right? Is RB still woring there?

 

[TonyC]

That's for the Army to do.

You got me!

I mistook a flippant remark for a serious post. Sorry.



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[Lead Sled]

Wow, If there is one thing that we are good at as pilots it's complaining. I can't lie though, I agree with most of those pet peeves

Yup, you got that right. You know what the difference is between a pilot and a jet engine? A jet engine quits whinning after you arrive at the gate. :laugh:

'Sled