ABX Furloughs

[SkyMiles]

FB,
What some, mostly those that are getting furloughed with virtually no chance of returning, are wary of, is a situation where those that stay, keep their jobs and get severance money. Quite frankly, if those that stay and keep their jobs for virtually the same pay, as was discussed, then why should they receive anything? Nothing has changed for them. They might not be able to put on the "red dress" as many nights, but that should have been abolished after the very first furlough, in my opinion. Based on the staffing levels I think they will be able to put on the feed bag as much as they wish! There is a lot of uncertainty in the future and I think the latest proposal addresses many of those issues. Like I said, overall, a very clever plan; a little clarification and maybe a slight modification or two and it may just work.

 

[laserman2431]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

 

[FreightBumper]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

He said the plan would be on base pay at the time of the May announcement. Some junior folks(like me) are getting surplussed for now and will probably be furloughed sooner than later. Please send me a link to the crystal ball you are gazing into that knows who will be let go and who will get to stay. As long as Hete, Graber and Gerdes have a hand in this, our future well being is not one of their priorities.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

So you think the few who get to stay for a month or two maybe six if lucky should be happy seeing all the severance given to the ones who are furloughrd now?
Then what do the rest get when their jobs go away?
Dhl is supposed to be giving this money to the whole pilot group as severance not just the few who think they need it more!

 

[laserman2431]

So you think the few who get to stay for a month or two maybe six if lucky should be happy seeing all the severance given to the ones who are furloughed now?
Then what do the rest get when their jobs go away?
Dhl is supposed to be giving this money to the whole pilot group as severance not just the few who think they need it more!

Fair enough. Take their share and hold it for six months. Then, when they still have a job, distribute the severance pay fairly among those that are actually severed.

 

[mxer]

That is exactly why it should be straight division. All active pilots get the same share rather being furloughed or not. DHL will still be gone regardless. Therefore, since it is DHL money, all should be able to participate. That takes ABX seniority out of the picture. We all have the same DHL seniority. If we go by base pay(seniority) then it is a fair argument that if yoy are not in the furlough plans, you shouldn't be in the severence plan. Personally, I think this creates a division among our group that doesn't need to happen. Straight division keeps it simple and everybody gets included equally.

 

[laserman2431]

I'm amazed they could even present such a proposal. I guess sometimes greed can overpower shame.

 

[TWA]

And you know all furloughs will be complete in six months because...?

 

[laserman2431]

And you know all furloughs will be complete in six months because...?

OK. Where would you draw the line? Ten years? Five years?

How long can people be severed but still be employed?

 

[shooter]

I don't really want to get involved in this, since it is an issue you guys are working out through your union but I would like to ask a few questions.

I hear you guys talking about severance as an issue. I agree with those that say severance should be for those that get severed. But what I think you all are really talking about is retention. The money DHL gave for you guys to stay until they release you from DHL service. Everyone should get an equal chunk of the retention since you all are still here doing the work on behalf of DHL. Those who get let go should be the ones getting retention and severance while those still employed should only get a retention.

Of course this is just how I see it. Is there something I am missing in why the guys still working should get a severance? Is it retention you guys are talking about?

 

[shooter]

Bueller?.........Bueller?.........Bueller?........

 

[727Niteflyer]

why is it everyone believes they are entitled to a severence or retention ? Arent you entitled to what the contract says and if the abx chooses to pay you anymore than its just a plus.

 

[DC-9er]

We're ALL out of a job. Those that are getting furloughed now and the rest when ABX gets shut down.

The stock market is smarter than any one man, and the market says this place won't survive. 20 cents a share and you think there's a future here?? Gimme a break.

 

[laserman2431]

At the meeting, The local president responding to a question about why not distribute the money evenly by saying "A junior dc9 fo is at a different place in life than most likely the 767 captain, a DC9 captain. They have a different standard of living." He later went on to say "The job has a certain value and you are where you are." Does that mean that the DC9 FO's need to feed and clothe his family; to put a roof over their heads and provide medical care is less important? That was an appalling statement.

Regarding the future of the company, the local president said "I'm not going to say we're going to grow back to where we are now, but, I think were putting the pieces in place to grow this airline back um we all know the stumbling blocks to doing that but um I think we have the pieces in place to grow it."

 

[shooter]

why is it everyone believes they are entitled to a severence or retention ? Arent you entitled to what the contract says and if the abx chooses to pay you anymore than its just a plus.

If ABX were paying it, sure. But this is DHL paid.

They need people doing what they do until DHL does not need it any longer or DHL would not have anything moving at all. So, they put money on the table for people to stay until the end. Many (or all) will lose their jobs when it is over so they also elected to do the right thing and provide a severance for those people. So everyone should be getting a DHL retention for staying until the end and those that do not have jobs will (should) get a severance. ABX as already said the number of job losses would bankrupt them and they could not afford to pay it. This is DHL funds.