ABX Furloughs

[shooter]

Thanks guys. I wish there is something that can be done, but based off what I read it does not look like it. I hate to sound like sour grapes about it since we are getting a severance. But the idea of some bean counter knowing X number will be cut and not telling them until two weeks toward the end really gets under my skin. Even if it is because DHL does not know what they are doing should not be the fault of the workers and have DHL pony up for the 60 day notice. I am pretty sure my boss would tell us, if he only knew.

It's the right thing to do in my eyes. But what do I know?

EDIT: I think I will write a few letters. Even if it only makes me feel a little better.

 

[nitefr8dog]

First furlough effective Feb.16 (60 day notices coming tomorrow).
As of now, the company still is refusing to do the right thing and release the funds that DHL gave to the pilots for severance.

Abx does not have the funds to release, DHL has not given the money to anybody until some sort of agreement is reached between the company and the union on how the money is paid out.

 

[ABXbooger]

IT IS SEVERANCE, NOT A WAY TO BOLSTER YOUR BOTTOM LINE, JOE! YOUR MESSING WITH PEOPLES LIVES HERE!

Sorry I had to yell there! DHL has promised the money, so let's talk with DHL and tell them what our dumb azz mgmt wants to do, see if we can't get it directly.

The total amount divided by pilots on seniority list.

We all started working for DHL at the exact same time. If you aren't going to be furloughed yet, then you still get it, because the money comes from DHL which is ending it's agreement with us, for the most part.

 

[ABXbooger]

And why ABX feels it is even close to negotiate for severance is ridiculous, and childish.

This, more than anything I have ever seen from mgmt, typifies the mindset and type of operation ABX thinks they run, and re-doubles my belief in union representation.

 

[Box-Hauler]

for .20 a share, the union should by the darn company, fire Joe and pay out the severance. If they can make a go at it doing charter work all the better, but our biggest problem "no vision Joe" along with his equally vision challenged lower management would be gone. Imagine how much more instep the whole company would be with vested workers calling the shots, and not worried about their "bonus" check for this quarter. I know a pipe dream, I have heard all the reasons why it wont work. Of course the people who say it would not work all have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.................., now if we could only get a bailout for the cargo industry.

 

[mxer]

I completely agree. Unfortunately, our union leadership wants to make this a seniority issue and devide by years of service. They wants to decide what they think is best for us. Who represents who?




The total amount divided by pilots on seniority list.

We all started working for DHL at the exact same time. If you aren't going to be furloughed yet, then you still get it, because the money comes from DHL which is ending it's agreement with us, for the most part.[/quote]

 

[SkyMiles]

Mxer,
Have you listened/watched the archive of the meeting that took place thursday night? I would highly recommend it to all. Very informative. Answered many questions and raised a few new ones. 1:30 well spent.

 

[mxer]

Yep, still need to do that. My info is second hand at this point. Is it wrong? My understanding is the devision is based on yearly base. That is the same as years of service as long as you have taken first available upgrades. If it has to be voted on, why not have two or three choices. Just my opinion.

 

[SkyMiles]

Yep, things have changed. A pretty clever solution overall. Once again there are still some questions and scenarios that need to be addressed but overall might not be bad.

 

[FreightBumper]

Yep, still need to do that. My info is second hand at this point. Is it wrong? My understanding is the devision is based on yearly base. That is the same as years of service as long as you have taken first available upgrades. If it has to be voted on, why not have two or three choices. Just my opinion.

Yep, your info is wrong. Listen to the audio of the gmm. Especially Z's rendition close to the end. Very well spoken and it gets my vote.

 

[SkyMiles]

FB,
What some, mostly those that are getting furloughed with virtually no chance of returning, are wary of, is a situation where those that stay, keep their jobs and get severance money. Quite frankly, if those that stay and keep their jobs for virtually the same pay, as was discussed, then why should they receive anything? Nothing has changed for them. They might not be able to put on the "red dress" as many nights, but that should have been abolished after the very first furlough, in my opinion. Based on the staffing levels I think they will be able to put on the feed bag as much as they wish! There is a lot of uncertainty in the future and I think the latest proposal addresses many of those issues. Like I said, overall, a very clever plan; a little clarification and maybe a slight modification or two and it may just work.

 

[laserman2431]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

 

[FreightBumper]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

He said the plan would be on base pay at the time of the May announcement. Some junior folks(like me) are getting surplussed for now and will probably be furloughed sooner than later. Please send me a link to the crystal ball you are gazing into that knows who will be let go and who will get to stay. As long as Hete, Graber and Gerdes have a hand in this, our future well being is not one of their priorities.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Not only do those who stay get to keep their jobs and take severance money from those who get furloughed but they will get a great deal more! My opinion is that the severance money should only go to those who get severed!

I liked the part where he said the more senior should get more because their jobs are more valuable.

VOTE NO!

So you think the few who get to stay for a month or two maybe six if lucky should be happy seeing all the severance given to the ones who are furloughrd now?
Then what do the rest get when their jobs go away?
Dhl is supposed to be giving this money to the whole pilot group as severance not just the few who think they need it more!

 

[laserman2431]

So you think the few who get to stay for a month or two maybe six if lucky should be happy seeing all the severance given to the ones who are furloughed now?
Then what do the rest get when their jobs go away?
Dhl is supposed to be giving this money to the whole pilot group as severance not just the few who think they need it more!

Fair enough. Take their share and hold it for six months. Then, when they still have a job, distribute the severance pay fairly among those that are actually severed.

 

[mxer]

That is exactly why it should be straight division. All active pilots get the same share rather being furloughed or not. DHL will still be gone regardless. Therefore, since it is DHL money, all should be able to participate. That takes ABX seniority out of the picture. We all have the same DHL seniority. If we go by base pay(seniority) then it is a fair argument that if yoy are not in the furlough plans, you shouldn't be in the severence plan. Personally, I think this creates a division among our group that doesn't need to happen. Straight division keeps it simple and everybody gets included equally.

 

[laserman2431]

I'm amazed they could even present such a proposal. I guess sometimes greed can overpower shame.

 

[TWA]

And you know all furloughs will be complete in six months because...?

 

[laserman2431]

And you know all furloughs will be complete in six months because...?

OK. Where would you draw the line? Ten years? Five years?

How long can people be severed but still be employed?

 

[shooter]

I don't really want to get involved in this, since it is an issue you guys are working out through your union but I would like to ask a few questions.

I hear you guys talking about severance as an issue. I agree with those that say severance should be for those that get severed. But what I think you all are really talking about is retention. The money DHL gave for you guys to stay until they release you from DHL service. Everyone should get an equal chunk of the retention since you all are still here doing the work on behalf of DHL. Those who get let go should be the ones getting retention and severance while those still employed should only get a retention.

Of course this is just how I see it. Is there something I am missing in why the guys still working should get a severance? Is it retention you guys are talking about?