AA's new B scale

[Flyby1206]

I agree, it's not up to you nor I to decide. But I think it's fair to say we have two very different opinions on how it should have come out.

73

On the contrary, I dont believe it is right for employed Eagle CAs to flow before unemployeed AA/TWA furloughees who have been on the street for years. Like I said though, you and I didnt get to make that decision. My original post was directed at those who were saying Eagle pilots had no right to flow period.

 

[macdu]

Another point is the flowbacks were only temporary. They were never going to stay and permanently take a spot on the list. You knew(know)that. This is a flow to a permanent, to retirement position. Very different.

 

[AA717driver]

Anyone up for "Baseball-style Arbitration" to resolve Sec. 6 negotiations?

Anyone?


TC

 

[100 c.i.]

Although I dont believe any of these eagle will be on the property before AA completes its recall in 2-3 years, its black and white in the contract(all flowthroughs come in after the last AAnative is recalled) period. Again the bottom 300 on forlough are clearly AA pilots not TWA and will be called in sen. order. Besides why in the hell would these guys want to come over anyway at best 1 or 3rd year pay to sit reserve probably out of base and get treated like a contract breaking commuter puke? I am already hearing no legs or beers for eagle job robbers. I say make every one of them come over and get a taste of it. Good luck eaglets......

 

[pipejockey]

Besides why in the hell would these guys want to come over anyway at best 1 or 3rd year pay to sit reserve probably out of base and get treated like a contract breaking commuter puke? I am already hearing no legs or beers for eagle job robbers. I say make every one of them come over and get a taste of it. Good luck eaglets......

Maybe because the Eagle guys that got their AA numbers years before 9-11 and were merely doing their 2 year seat lock at Eagle will be line holders as they will be placed higher up on the seniority list than all those hired at AA AFTER the Eagle guy got his number. Like I said in another thread where there is yet another mainline against regional pilot argument, why not come up with a payscale that will allow ALL flying done for an airline be done by that pilots workforce! There will be many growing pains, but it couldnt be worse than whats going on now with pilots flying 100+ seaters against pilots flying less than 100 seats. Thats what it comes down to folks. Grow up!! Management is making a mockery of us and they love it! We must be the butt end of all of their jokes they tell at their overpriced luncheons.

 

[InTransit]

Besides why in the hell would these guys want to come over anyway at best 1 or 3rd year pay to sit reserve probably out of base and get treated like a contract breaking commuter puke? I am already hearing no legs or beers for eagle job robbers. I say make every one of them come over and get a taste of it. Good luck eaglets......

FYI: The truth is many of them don't want to now. From a regional pilot standpoint, they're are at the top of the game - good pay, pretty okay schedules. It's probably best not to say you're gonna teach 'em a lesson. They're good hard-working people, with age and wisdom. They deserve some respect.

 

[Vne]

Since the Eagle pilots who have NOT flowed received their numbers through Sup W/LTR3 and it is now dead and gone they should expect the same when it comes to a number at AA.
Look what Eagle ALPA did to the flowbacks when they took their CA seats because W/ltr3 was dead THEN they "had" a displacement....so "oops you lost your CA seat."

How about a "oops you lost your seniority number." APA can just decide to recycle all vacant numbers just like ALPA did to those FB CA who lost the seat because the agreement was dead. APA has a list redo every year.
How can those who decided the seat provided to FB is gone after the agreement died but somehow the number they got and have NOT used is still valid ?

Talk about pretzel logic.....

 

[pipejockey]

Since the Eagle pilots who have NOT flowed received their numbers through Sup W/LTR3 and it is now dead and gone they should expect the same when it comes to a number at AA.
Look what Eagle ALPA did to the flowbacks when they took their CA seats because W/ltr3 was dead THEN they "had" a displacement....so "oops you lost your CA seat."

How about a "oops you lost your seniority number." APA can just decide to recycle all vacant numbers just like ALPA did to those FB CA who lost the seat because the agreement was dead. APA has a list redo every year.
How can those who decided the seat provided to FB is gone after the agreement died but somehow the number they got and have NOT used is still valid ?

Talk about pretzel logic.....

So then if you want to take the numbers away from the Eagle pilots then the flowbacks should be put out on the street? You say that the flowback CA's lost their seat? They are still there. They merely hold the seat that their seniority allows. And with 10 year upgrade at Eagle, all they can hold is FO. Are you saying an FO seat is beneath them? Why should they be allowed to hold CA's seats ahead of 10 year FO's at Eagle? Sup W is dead as you say. As long as Eagle pilots no longer have the right to flow to AA, why should the flowbacks continue to hold up movement at Eagle. Now if you want to create a new Sup W deal, then maybe something can be worked out. But as long as management has a laugh behind closed doors at all your bickering, things will only get worse.

 

[GIII Instructor]

That's not the point. What I'm getting at is, they were officially AA pilots as of April 10, 2001. They were furloughed from AA, not TWA. They should be recalled to AA before anyone who was never at AA. Eagle pilots with AA seniority numbers were never at AA. Why should they be recalled first? Just because they have a pseudo seniority number?

I agree, it's not up to you nor I to decide. But I think it's fair to say we have two very different opinions on how it should have come out.

73

Sure you make valid points... but at the end of the day, its what Nicolai (the arbitrator) rules. End of story!

 

[Neubyfly]

Sure you make valid points... but at the end of the day, its what Nicolai (the arbitrator) rules. End of story!

This story is far from over. I predict at least 3 more letter 3 grievences

 

[100 c.i.]

This story is far from over. I predict at least 3 more letter 3 grievences

Your right on! The eagle guys are already dancing in the streets over one decision, but guess what 3 plus years will pass and these losers that couldnt get hired even in the late 90s will still be waiting. Stay in the left seat and be happy, because you wont be welcome here!

 

[Cleared Direct]

Eagle pilots with AA seniority numbers were never at AA. Why should they be recalled first? Just because they have a pseudo seniority number?
73

Pseudo Seniority Numbers?

Rrrrrrriiiiiight?

They are called occupational dates of hire at AA just likes yours slick. They are very real and most were already on the list when you got hired at AA. You simply chose to ignore them. Eagle pilots with AA numbers have no recall rights, and they will never be recalled by AA. They will however be offered class dates at AA because of the acquisistion of TWA. Some of the ex TWA pilots who were non AA-trained satisfied the definition in Letter 3 of new hire pilots. As such when they were recalled to AA they not only generated new AA numbers for Eagle pilots, but also AA class dates for those that already had numbers for 2 years or more.

 

[Draginass]

This debacle shows either the idiocy or darker motive of the arbitrator. The twisted convoluted definition of TWA pilots being "new hires" is patently absurd, however, that's how this idiot arbitrator ruled. The obvious intent of letter 3 was not honored. Motive? Who knows.

"B" scale? Sorry eaglets. That's complete BS and a figment of your paranoia.

 

[pipejockey]

Stay in the left seat and be happy, because you wont be welcome here!

But the punks from Mesa, Gojet, Republic, etc etc etc will be? I think you have misidentified the enemy. From what I have heard, it's not the Eagle pilots that are your enemy. You sound like another disgruntled TWA guy that can't just be happy they are on ANYBODY'S list. You all were a whisker away from being just another Pan Am or Eastern pilot. With each thread involving this AA, TWA, Eagle, BS I end up with less and less respect for the so called former TWAers.

 

[sstearns2]

My God! AA starting the "B" Scale a second time? Here we go again. Will it ever end?

You mean a third time. The second time was when the regionals started flying jets.

Scott