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Candide, you're talking about two completely different issues. Category is a completely different thing when it comes to SLI as compared to whipsaw problems. The whipsaw is a result of mainline pilot lack of foresight in allowing regional feed to be outsourced, beginning over 20 years ago. And I agree with you wholeheartedly that it is a huge problem. My major beef with ALPA right now is that too much focus is being placed on international issues while the regionals are being whipsawed to death, in fact.

But let's say that that problem never surfaced. Let's say that the mainline carriers never allowed regional feed to be outsourced, and all flying stayed "in house." The result for seniority integrations would not be any different. A CRJ would still fall into a different category than a 737 which would fall into a different category than a 767. It's simply a matter of fact in this business that the bigger airframes produce more revenue for the corporation, and pilots get paid more when they produce more revenue. Again, the individual carrier that is on top of the pay heap varies from year to year, but in the aggregate, a 737 will always pay more than a CRJ, and a 747 will always pay more than a 737. That is why arbitrators largely ignore contracts and focus on category and status. They aren't idiots. They know that your CBA will not be industry leading in 10 years, just like it was industry trailing 10 years ago. And 20 years from now it may be industry leading again. It's all cyclical. But seniority, once set, doesn't change. Someone placed junior to you will always be junior to you, no matter what happens to the CBA. That is why CBAs can not be used to determine seniority integrations.
 
PCL,

I'm sorry to say, but you're playing into management's hands. Pilots should be paid for safely and efficiently operating an aircraft through a take off and landing. More than we're paid now. The size of the airplane should matter some (because of the economics), but MUCH less than it does now. UPS pilots have one rate--it's not a completely radical idea.

You're embracing a detrimental element (category) of the pilot profession because it may have benefitted you in an arbitration that never happened. But let the whipsaw continue...
 
PCL,



I'm sorry to say, but you're playing into management's hands. Pilots should be paid for safely and efficiently operating an aircraft through a take off and landing. More than we're paid now. The size of the airplane should matter some (because of the economics), but MUCH less than it does now. UPS pilots have one rate--it's not a completely radical idea.



You're embracing a detrimental element (category) of the pilot profession because it may have benefitted you in an arbitration that never happened. But let the whipsaw continue...


Actually, I've supported waveflyer's suggestion here on numerous occasions that pilots should be paid based upon seat and longevity, rather than basing it on aircraft size. But that's simply not the reality in the industry today. We deal with the way things are, not the way we want things to be. And by the way, in those threads that waveflyer suggested such a system, it wasn't exactly well received. Most pilots have an ego problem with the idea that they aren't getting paid more to fly a bigger plane. That's your road block on that issue. As always, pilots are their own worst enemies.
 
Well if there's one thing I know about a 737 it's that sitting in a middle seat from LAX to ATL is a miserable experience. After 4 hours I can't feel my legs.
I really don't think Hawaii service is a good idea I can't imagine sitting there for 5 hours.
 
As someone who can sleep in a bunk bed made out of venetian blinds, I think the evolve interior is cramped for all but the vertically challenged. Couple that with being seated on a cushion that is marginal at best. Squeezed in six more seats to increase ASM with no consideration for comfort. Pretty sad when the commute on a 50 seat RJ is something to look forward to or looking forward to a DH that is on a 737-500.
 
Well if there's one thing I know about a 737 it's that sitting in a middle seat from LAX to ATL is a miserable experience. After 4 hours I can't feel my legs.
I really don't think Hawaii service is a good idea I can't imagine sitting there for 5 hours.
SSSHHHH! Don't tell that to Alaska, Hawaii is one of their largest profit generators.
 
I can get a first class seat on Alaska. The trailer park of the skies? Not so much.
 
Ouch. But on a positive note, ALPA national can afford it for him.

ALPA has never once purchased an airline ticket for me. Hell, even Captain Prater rode coach on his pass benefits going to overseas events. But hey, don't let those facts get in the way of your crazy delusions of ALPA reps sipping Cristal, eating lobster three meals a day, and staying in presidential suites. :rolleyes:

BTW, ask your SWAPA reps how much money they wasted going to an IFALPA event in Europe that they weren't even invited to attend.
 
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