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[PCL_128]

Yes, 10% of passengers have the ability to purchase a first class seat if they can afford it, but the other 90% are riding in coach.

True. And coach is miserable on just about everyone. But at least on Alaska, if I'm going to be stuck in coach, I can pick my seat out months in advance instead of dealing with the cattle herd.

 

[HowardBorden]

True. And coach is miserable on just about everyone. But at least on Alaska, if I'm going to be stuck in coach, I can pick my seat out months in advance instead of dealing with the cattle herd.

All true. You can also pay $25 to check a bag, $150 to change the flight if needed and pay an up charge to sit in an exit row........or you could check in exactly 24 hours before departure on a hypothetical SWA flight and get all that for free.

 

[redflyer65]

ALPA has never once purchased an airline ticket for me. Hell, even Captain Prater rode coach on his pass benefits going to overseas events. But hey, don't let those facts get in the way of your crazy delusions of ALPA reps sipping Cristal, eating lobster three meals a day, and staying in presidential suites.

BTW, ask your SWAPA reps how much money they wasted going to an IFALPA event in Europe that they weren't even invited to attend.

I think at least four of the seven jumpseated, you know.. for free.

How did that work on the 3 thousand dollar Eagle ALPA dinner? I don't think it was Cristal, more like single malt scotch. I love the glimpse into the ALPA spending with that one. Very rare to see behind the big ALPA curtain.

 

[PCL_128]

All true. You can also pay $25 to check a bag, $150 to change the flight if needed and pay an up charge to sit in an exit row........or you could check in exactly 24 hours before departure on a hypothetical SWA flight and get all that for free.

Checking in early just gets you at the front of the cattle call. It doesn't let you pick your seat.

But I buy first class tickets when I travel, anyway, so SWA isn't even an option.

 

[PCL_128]

I think at least four of the seven jumpseated, you know.. for free.

For ALPA reps, it would have been seven of the seven. ALPA doesn't buy airline tickets for pilots unless it's some sort of emergency.

How did that work on the 3 thousand dollar Eagle ALPA dinner? I don't think it was Cristal, more like single malt scotch. I love the glimpse into the ALPA spending with that one. Very rare to see behind the big ALPA curtain.

What you fail to mention is that they had to pay all of that back. Just like some CAL pilots had to pay back flight pay loss years ago. ALPA doesn't put up with misappropriation of money. How 'bout all of those SWAPA reps billing for every phone call that they make? Must be nice to take home 160 TFP on a regular basis.

 

[madjack]

Too bad u can't feed from the trough

 

[PCL_128]

To bad u cnt lrn to typ like an adlt instd of a th3rteen yr old grl LOL!!!11!!1!!

 

[madjack]

Go f urself

 

[Kenney G]

Madjack. You seem to have some issues. Maybe you should see someone to talk about it. You bring nothing to the conversation except hate. Must be a sad way to live.

 

[Just thinking]

Madjack is just an angry brown shoe aviator with poor LSO grades resulting in the call sign "Cut Pass"
His time at tailhook resulted in the changing of call sign to Beanie Weanie from the "girls".

 

[madjack]

No I hate no one on here, even PCL I hear is a nice person...this is FI, are we getting civil now?

 

[FOAgain]

What you fail to mention is that they had to pay all of that back. Just like some CAL pilots had to pay back flight pay loss years ago. ALPA doesn't put up with misappropriation of money.

Please don't gloss over this like it was nothing. This was a massive misuse of funds collected from the paychecks of those who they were supposed to be representing.

ALPA national stepped in only when confronted with damning evidence that was compiled by volunteers using their own time. Even after being presented with said evidence, national refused to discipline the offenders, and quickly slipped everything under the rug.

It was disgusting, and only adds to the argument that ALPA is a huge, bloated bureaucracy which has jumped the shark by refusing to properly represent it's members. Rather, they are driven by greed, political power, and their very own agenda.

Thank God I am leaving an ALPA carrier for a group who is self represented.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not sure what you expect from ALPA besides making them pay back what they owe. And obviously national couldn't "step in" until they received evidence.

 

[madjack]

I just think that the folks from AAI who post on here are WAY put of touch with reality...I have said before NOBODY should take a paycut because we bought their airline...we pay protected the Morris CPs...there no text lingo

 

[PCL_128]

Better.

But we think you're out of touch with reality, also. It's something that we'll never agree on. So I don't know why we continue to have this fight. Perhaps if everybody just shut the hell up about the integration, everyone would be a lot happier.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Madjack. You seem to have some issues. Maybe you should see someone to talk about it. You bring nothing to the conversation except hate. Must be a sad way to live.

Madjack has his moments, but you gotta' admit that PCL brings it out in him (and others). Talk about hate; PCL has never said anything but negativity and hatred towards all things Southwest. And I agree with you, Kenny--it must be a sad way to live.

Bubba

 

[PCL_128]

Nah, "sad" is getting all bent out of shape about what some anonymous screen name on the internet says about your employer. I don't like your product or your management team. Get over it. It's not personal.

 

[Skyboy722]

Well, then, it seems that the day you depart will be win-win.

 

[slaquer5]

Madjack has his moments, but you gotta' admit that PCL brings it out in him (and others). Talk about hate; PCL has never said anything but negativity and hatred towards all things Southwest. And I agree with you, Kenny--it must be a sad way to live.

Bubba

I doubt that the way madjack posts on FI. Has in anyway how he lives his life .

 

[scarlet]

Why don't we talk about why you can't trade a 4 day trip for another 4 day trip on the same days, but it will not let you if the days are red? Or if any day is red you can't touch that trip. Or the limit of how many times you drop days. Think the limit is 4 days a month.

Why can't we drop a trip if all days are green?

Why can't we deposit Profit Sharing into 401K account or receive a check like other airlines?

There are alot of things to talk about to get everyone on the same page. The past is the past=no changing it.

 

[madjack]

I forget the rules but have called schedules/SWAPA when a duties to cover issue/question has come up...

The union wants to negotiate a B fund, and possibly use profit sharing as a bargaining chip...the contractual limit for company 401k

 

[madjack]

Oops, anyway as I was saying, contractual 401k match limit is 25k...P/S does not count towards this limit...so a Cappy making can reach the FED tax deferred limits by working extra in a good profit year...

 

[ATLplt]

Why don't we talk about why you can't trade a 4 day trip for another 4 day trip on the same days, but it will not let you if the days are red? Or if any day is red you can't touch that trip. Or the limit of how many times you drop days. Think the limit is 4 days a month.

Why can't we drop a trip if all days are green?

Are the former AirTran guys there bringing this crap up to swapa? Do southwest pilots not think that's ridiculous? Is it falling on deaf ears? I would think that quality of life issues like the ones above would be paramount.

 

[carl p]

Are we still training 6 days a week?

 

[madjack]

I heard yes on 6 days/wk

 

[Tripower455]

Are the former AirTran guys there bringing this crap up to swapa? Do southwest pilots not think that's ridiculous? Is it falling on deaf ears? I would think that quality of life issues like the ones above would be paramount.

SWAPA wanted DTC. It, along with other QOL restrictions, was touted as a SWAPA "gain" in the TA1 Swapaganda papers.

DTC protects the open time so there is more for the 1%ers.

Much of the scheduling section of the contract is written purely so senior guys can get POT. Period. If it doesn't enhance the 1%er's chance of getting more open time, SWAPA is not interested in it.

 

[freightdogfred]

SWAPA wanted DTC. It, along with other QOL restrictions, was touted as a SWAPA "gain" in the TA1 Swapaganda papers.

DTC protects the open time so there is more for the 1%ers.

Much of the scheduling section of the contract is written purely so senior guys can get POT. Period. If it doesn't enhance the 1%er's chance of getting more open time, SWAPA is not interested in it.

And so it should be. If the mantra is "let no SWAPA pilot be harmed" then it follows to ensure the super-senior gobble the most pie. Relax, some crumbs will fall for you to partake.

 

[Tripower455]

And so it should be. If the mantra is "let no SWAPA pilot be harmed" then it follows to ensure the super-senior gobble the most pie. Relax, some crumbs will fall for you to partake.

The mantra has never been "let no swapa pilot be harmed", at least not in practice.

I am senior to most, if not all of the FI regulars, and the "crumbs" rarely reach my level. Hopefully, we'll be more aware this time around, but I am not holding my breath.

 

[Ty Webb]

The mantra has never been "let no swapa pilot be harmed", at least not in practice.

I am senior to most, if not all of the FI regulars, and the "crumbs" rarely reach my level. Hopefully, we'll be more aware this time around, but I am not holding my breath.

This sounds very familiar. At FL, during the times of "fast and furious upgrade", the mantra used to be, "You'll be a Captain for a lot longer than an First Officer, so that's where you want to the most gains to be", and "you'll only be on reserve a few months, don't waste negotiating capital there".

Then, growth slowed, no, wait, stopped. And, suddenly, all of these "temporary pains" became permanent pain for two-thirds of the Pilots.

Hopefully, enough of the OSW Pilots will have sampled the joys of a growthless period enough to realign the Contract priorities with the new reality. It would be a big plus for most if the better parts of the FL Contract were examined, there were some good things in there for Junior guys, be they Capt or FO.

Being able to drop trips, drop a reserve day, choosing your own training days, etc. are some good example. Being paid from L1 door close to L1 door open was a gem that hardly anyone else had.

Regds,
Ty

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Yeah, they need a 20 yr fo pay scale to reflect the new realities.