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AAI Pilots Expectations for January 2015

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Phlintstone said:
Yes it does say that.

Phred
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The beef is lose of Captain seats Right??? If so why on earth would AT/ALPA agree to that, knowing what is said as a promise by word (GK keeping the 717's) is worthless. What is in black and white will rule the day.

What else is the beef?? Just a question????
 
Will one of you AirTran guys speak to the pilot who always initiates his call to departure control with "Citrus 701, We're airborne..." and let him know that it's not necessary to tell departure that, at least in radar controlled major airports, plus the fact that he adds "..out of 600 for 5,000 kinda tells departure he's 'airborne'. He does it on every departure, even out of ATL. Tonight he was on 701 out of MCO around 10:15 local. Thanks.
 
Sure. I'll make your request over departure AND guard next time I hear him.
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Balls on Accurate!
 
Question? Does it State in AT's transition agreement with the company(SWA), that no AT pilot can be a SWA 737 captain before 2015? Honest answer please. I don't have the agreement in front of me.
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Voted for and passed by AT ALPA Pilots by 83%. This agreement was plan B and was after they shot down Plan A, the deal that would have "protected" their Captain seats and ATL base. :crying:

Happy Easter - bitches!!! :cartman:
 
Mach 80 said:
Will one of you AirTran guys speak to the pilot who always initiates his call to departure control with "Citrus 701, We're airborne..." and let him know that it's not necessary to tell departure that, at least in radar controlled major airports, plus the fact that he adds "..out of 600 for 5,000 kinda tells departure he's 'airborne'. He does it on every departure, even out of ATL. Tonight he was on 701 out of MCO around 10:15 local. Thanks.
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I think I'll check in that way from now on! :)
Phred
 
Mach 80 said:
Will one of you AirTran guys speak to the pilot who always initiates his call to departure control with "Citrus 701, We're airborne..." and let him know that it's not necessary to tell departure that, at least in radar controlled major airports, plus the fact that he adds "..out of 600 for 5,000 kinda tells departure he's 'airborne'. He does it on every departure, even out of ATL. Tonight he was on 701 out of MCO around 10:15 local. Thanks.
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Thanks, Logbook.
 
Mach 80 said:
Will one of you AirTran guys speak to the pilot who always initiates his call to departure control with "Citrus 701, We're airborne..." and let him know that it's not necessary to tell departure that, at least in radar controlled major airports, plus the fact that he adds "..out of 600 for 5,000 kinda tells departure he's 'airborne'. He does it on every departure, even out of ATL. Tonight he was on 701 out of MCO around 10:15 local. Thanks.
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In the big scheme of things what does it matter...maybe we should stop saying Good Morning, Happy Thanksgiving, or Merry Christimas, etc. That wastes nano seconds on the frequency as well.
 
Like I said

In the big scheme of things what does it matter...maybe we should stop saying Good Morning, Happy Thanksgiving, or Merry Christimas, etc. That wastes nano seconds on the frequency as well.
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Sure. I'll make your request over departure AND guard next time I hear him.
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Balls on accurate!!!!
 
scoreboardII said:
And does that agreement say there WILL be 717s on property after 2014? I thought not, but good luck ignoring the obvious.
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Many of us were awarded SWA 717 Capt/FO. A position that will not exist. We will be displaced to the 737. Time will tell with regards to the DRC.
 
If I were a SWA FO with a seniority below about #800 on the FO list, I'd be hoping that the AAI Capt's keep their seats. At least that way, they won't be displacing senior FO's while they wait to reclaim their seat. :eek:
 
SWA/FO said:
Voted for and passed by AT ALPA Pilots by 83%. This agreement was plan B and was after they shot down Plan A, the deal that would have "protected" their Captain seats and ATL base. :crying:

Happy Easter - bitches!!! :cartman:
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To clarify your statement..THEY shot down...THEY,was our MEC, not the 1700+ people that it affected. We did not get to vote on it.We didn't have a say in the matter, Except for, electing officials that we THOUGHT would look out for us! "Rejection" of plan A..is on FL's back..specifically, a few individuals.
 
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ron burgundy said:
To clarify your statement..THEY shot down...THEY,was our MEC, not the 1700+ people that it affected. We did not get to vote on it.We didn't have a say in the matter, Except for, electing officials that we THOUGHT would look out for us! "Rejection" of plan A..is on FL's back..specifically, a few individuals.
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Absolutely true. I'm sure it will go down as the biggest integration debacle of all time. All thanks to a few people that thought they could twist Gary's arm for more.

The 1700 deserved to vote on their collective future and not have the rug pulled underneath them.
 
The reason the MEC rejected SIA#1 was because it didn't meet the minimum requirements, period. Just because SIA #2 was passed at gunpoint doesn't make it right. However, it is what it is.

FWIW, the SWA F/O's below #800 got burned by their leadership as well . . .

The only pilots unscathed by this were senior SWA Captains and very junior AAI F/O's.
 
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Quiet Flight said:
What were the "minimum requirements"? Remain on AT pay scale for an extra 2 1/2 years and relinquish all captain seats?
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Think what you want, buddy . . . For a 12th year guy like me, AT pay is higher . . . and with fully-commutable schedules.
 
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They still don't get it. Here at AAI we use a different metric. While the entire world goes to work for money we go for workouts, days in Mexico, good commutes, and the feel good status of quality rankings.

So enjoy your shorter trips, excessive compensation, and complex base structure. We will basque in the glory our MEC provided. I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Hey look a SWA 737 with a 2nd year FO. That fool is making double our bottom 400... I wonder how many workouts he can get in on his trip!

Yeah I bet he doesn't even fly to PUJ! Look, no SE taxi! What a money drain.

I'll happily work for half pay so they can taxi on double the engines!

Me too! Because every overnight is a sunny beach spot!
 
Crash Pad said:
They still don't get it. Here at AAI we use a different metric. While the entire world goes to work for money we go for workouts, days in Mexico, good commutes, and the feel good status of quality rankings.

So enjoy your shorter trips, excessive compensation, and complex base structure. We will basque in the glory our MEC provided. I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!
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Clearly, what seat you are in, and where you live make a huge difference. For junior FO's, especially those that live near a SWA base, transitioning represents a good deal. For Line-holding Captains, not so much, especially ATL folks. If you look at the most recent transition award, it went so junior, that they practically had to junior-assign ATL717 Captains to transition to SWA FO.

As for assigning the blame; blame the MEC if you wish, but they were following the process. It's not their fault that the rules got changed in the middle of the game and the pilots broke ranks. If you really want to assign blame, there's more than enough to go around . . . . on all sides. If I started throwing poo at everyone who should be blamed, by the time I got done, it would look like the food fight in Animal House. Everyone would have some on them, including myself.

Regards,
Ty
 
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Crash Pad said:
They still don't get it. Here at AAI we use a different metric. While the entire world goes to work for money we go for workouts, days in Mexico, good commutes, and the feel good status of quality rankings.

So enjoy your shorter trips, excessive compensation, and complex base structure. We will basque in the glory our MEC provided. I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Hey look a SWA 737 with a 2nd year FO. That fool is making double our bottom 400... I wonder how many workouts he can get in on his trip!

Yeah I bet he doesn't even fly to PUJ! Look, no SE taxi! What a money drain.

I'll happily work for half pay so they can taxi on double the engines!

Me too! Because every overnight is a sunny beach spot!
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PUJ or LBB, who cares? You still will be a CORNDOG making BANK, having fun flying across Texas or across the Country in one of those 737-300s. Remember, YOU WILL BE MAKING BANK....... (TIC)

Good luck to you guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Quiet Flight said:
You failed to answer the question I posed. Again, what were the "minimum requirements"?
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I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since pilot arbitrated seniority list results all fall within a very narrow range, arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.
 
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GhettoBeechjet said:
I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since all of arbitrated lists all fall within a very narrow range arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.
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I don't disagree.
 
GhettoBeechjet said:
I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since all of arbitrated lists all fall within a very narrow range arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.
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Thanks Ghetto.
 

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