AAI Pilots Expectations for January 2015

[SWA Bubba]

PUJ or LBB, who cares? You still will be a CORNDOG making BANK, having fun flying across Texas or across the Country in one of those 737-300s. Remember, YOU WILL BE MAKING BANK....... (TIC)

Good luck to you guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee

This was a little sub-par for the General. I can't tell--is he making fun of just Southwest, or Airtran and pay comparison as well? You seem to be slipping a little bit. You can't mix your insults, Gen'l; you'll only confuse us mere domestic mortals.

Bubba

 

[Remington]

Didn't AT get bought? Pretty lucky they even got to vote, right?
Why did their MEC Chair let all those Capt seats go?

 

[fletch717]

Didn't AT get bought? Pretty lucky they even got to vote, right?
Why did their MEC Chair let all those Capt seats go?

Dude, go some place else and start a fight.

 

[Just thinking]

Really lucky for all the Airtran folks..........
ICT folks being told to bid their choice customer service or ramp...... couple of months later after the bid..... guess what? No more ramp. Contracting it out. Your choice is this crappy payout (did not include ginsu knive set) Transfer to another base. Go back to customer service but you lost all your seniority.
Working hard to screw the mechanics in ATL. Maintenance write ups being deferred to other stations and minimal work is done in ATL... guess what is coming next? Hey guys, not much work being done in ATL we are going to a night only shift..... payout, move to other base or night shift only. (Oh by the way you can truly see the degradation in the quality of aircraft up keep. Husbandry has fallen off the wagon.)
Down size ATL to the point where personnel are dumped by the roadside with some crappy payout again.
Thanks for the great performance Airtran.... you were in the top three for on time performance once again. (That is in spite of late pushes in southwest stations) Beatings will continue until morale improves. Don't worry though... we have dealt with much worse from much better folks and still been successful. LUV

 

[bluesideup1]

I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since pilot arbitrated seniority list results all fall within a very narrow range, arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on. It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

 

[Ty Webb]

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on.

The Pilots went first, by design. What followed is not very surprising.

It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

Something tells me that you're the one having a hard time handling reality... :laugh:

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Hey look a SWA 737 with a 2nd year FO. That fool is making double our bottom 400... I wonder how many workouts he can get in on his trip!

And just what the hell did you expect? That is what upgrade time as a junior SWA FO is! The same for junior ORIGINAL SWA pilots who WERE ACTUALLY HIRED at SWA! I can't believe the audacity of some of you guys.

 

[General Lee]

This was a little sub-par for the General. I can't tell--is he making fun of just Southwest, or Airtran and pay comparison as well? You seem to be slipping a little bit. You can't mix your insults, Gen'l; you'll only confuse us mere domestic mortals.

Bubba

It was more of a SWA slam, but at the same time a reminder that CASH will increase for them, even though PUJ layovers will fall to LBB. Good and bad I guess. Hey, I've tried to tone it down a bit for you guys, alright....?? I've redirected my "opinions" to the Easties at USAir, so you guys are clear, for now.....be nice!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dornier 335]

It was more of a SWA slam, but at the same time a reminder that CASH will increase for them, even though PUJ layovers will fall to LBB. Good and bad I guess. Hey, I've tried to tone it down a bit for you guys, alright....?? I've redirected my "opinions" to the Easties at USAir, so you guys are clear, for now.....be nice!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Playing the moralist now, how cute....! What about anal probes at your airline some time ago? We're all waiting for your excuse. How's life under the desk?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on. It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

First off Blue I'm RSW. Second your point about the other work groups is accurate BUT arbitrated pilot ISLs have been historically not been done like other work groups. In all cases except one involving a bankrupt carrier with no assests the list has fallen in a range between DOH and relative seniority with fences regardless of the circumstances of either carrier. There were several RP articles showing historical arbitration results. I'm sure that is what their expectations were based on and why the AAI MEC rejected the first agreement. There was no evidence to suggest that they wouldn't do better in arbitration. That being said the narrow range of cookie cutter results regardless of circumstance point to real real flaw in the way pilot ISLs are arbitrated. The results appear to be more about benefiting the company by limiting training costs and seat movement than "fair and equitable" from a pilot perspective. That makes sense in the lawyer world because the company normally pays the cost of the arbitration and becomes the defacto client the arbitrator wants to keep happy.

 

[General Lee]

Playing the moralist now, how cute....! What about anal probes at your airline some time ago? We're all waiting for your excuse. How's life under the desk?

Wow you have crazy fantasies. You probably have your own "male review" dance show outlined in your diary. So cute! Btw, you third listers will stagnate in CLT and PHL as Westies come over and rightfully take back their awarded Capt slots. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

Just curious why anyone would think it OK to work on jets during the day when they are needed for flying? Of course you defer everything till night shift maintenance...

 

[Dornier 335]

Wow you have crazy fantasies. You probably have your own "male review" dance show outlined in your diary. So cute! Btw, you third listers will stagnate in CLT and PHL as Westies come over and rightfully take back their awarded Capt slots. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Not a crazy fantasy! Happened at your airline! Fact!

 

[737tanker]

Maintenance write ups being deferred to other stations and minimal work is done in ATL

They are doing it to themselves. I've had a few maintenance issues in ATL and I got much better responses from contract maintenance in non-SWA cities than I did with the mechanics in ATL. I had ATL Op Agents tell me that they are telling crews to call Maintenance Control and get the item MEL'd, even if it is as simple as a inop landing light, rather than call for ATL Maintenance.

 

[slaquer5]

I had ATL Op Agents tell me that they are telling crews to call Maintenance Control and get the item MEL'd, even if it is as simple as a inop landing light, rather than call for ATL Maintenance.

That goes for DEN also .

 

[PCL_128]

What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

No, some of us counted on that. We just didn't care. It was nothing but bargaining posturing. We had the law on our side. All we had to do was enforce it. The problem was that a majority of our pilots were scared of their own shadows. That was our undoing.

 

[HowardBorden]

...It was nothing but bargaining posturing...The problem was that a majority of our pilots were scared of their own shadows. That was our undoing.

If these are your thoughts on the matter, there is nothing left to discuss, everyone got what they were willing to bargain for.

Good, I'm glad that's over!

 

[dicko]

They are doing it to themselves. I've had a few maintenance issues in ATL and I got much better responses from contract maintenance in non-SWA cities than I did with the mechanics in ATL. I had ATL Op Agents tell me that they are telling crews to call Maintenance Control and get the item MEL'd, even if it is as simple as a inop landing light, rather than call for ATL Maintenance.

It must be you.

I've never had anything but excellent service from our mechanics in ATL. Call them in the air and they're waiting for you. Call them on the ground and they're in the cockpit in 5-10 minutes. 90% of the time there are zero MELs.

SWA maintenance isn't exactly the shining beacon of reputation is it ....?

 

[Just thinking]

Of course you defer everything till night shift maintenance...

Right... defer the ten minute navigation light change out of BWI until later..... unfortunately the other bulb burned out and low and behold no bulbs in Tampa..... unable to dx because night flight. Two hour delay, mis-connecting passengers, hotel rooms, compensation and round trip tickets.... all for the ten minute light bulb change.
Two out of three lavs mel's for days? Not good customer service. Arm rests taped together...APU inoperative for days.
I am not saying that our maintenance guys are not great.... they are not being allowed to put the aircraft into work by maintenance control. It is being orchestrated to further the efforts of the LUVBORG which is hard at work trying to screw over the Airtran personnel whether they are wearing a SWA uniform or AT uniform.
Pilots at Airtran do see the degradation of the fleet. I had a great aircraft yesterday with outstanding clothe seats (usually dilapidated and worn out.)

 

[Ty Webb]

It must be you.

I've never had anything but excellent service from our mechanics in ATL. Call them in the air and they're waiting for you. Call them on the ground and they're in the cockpit in 5-10 minutes. 90% of the time there are zero MELs.

Yep. Same here. Call in the air, they're waiting at the gate when you pull in. Call from the gate, they are there in 5-10, even over on D Concourse.

 

[dicko]

Of course you defer everything till night shift maintenance...

Right... defer the ten minute navigation light change out of BWI until later..... unfortunately the other bulb burned out and low and behold no bulbs in Tampa..... unable to dx because night flight. Two hour delay, mis-connecting passengers, hotel rooms, compensation and round trip tickets.... all for the ten minute light bulb change.
Two out of three lavs mel's for days? Not good customer service. Arm rests taped together...APU inoperative for days.
I am not saying that our maintenance guys are not great.... they are not being allowed to put the aircraft into work by maintenance control. It is being orchestrated to further the efforts of the LUVBORG which is hard at work trying to screw over the Airtran personnel whether they are wearing a SWA uniform or AT uniform.
Pilots at Airtran do see the degradation of the fleet. I had a great aircraft yesterday with outstanding clothe seats (usually dilapidated and worn out.)

I maintain that my previous post is accurate with regard to Atlanta. However, Baltimore has always been a nightmare and FLL could be bad or worse. MCO was generally good, but things could get jacked up down there. They were too close to the head of the beast. Maintenance control in Orlando had always been a far more political animal than our line mechanics.

I agree on the degradation. It seems that it's more prevalent on the 717 and has become worse since SWA took over. It may well be a case of - 'put of till tomorrow, because its not going to be our problem'.

I agree that the Mx guys and girls are not immune to the damage from the SWA takeover. It has degraded the operations efficiency. The reasons are complicated.

The bizarre SWA logbooks are an excellent example; they're illogical, archaic, inefficient and lead to mistakes. The word from Flight Ops is that they can't be approved for ETOPS and will have to be changed back to the AirTran/standard format if they ever decide to venture to Hawaii. It took them so long to attempt ETOPS that they've given up for now. The market is ..... Occupied.

 

[PCL_128]

If these are your thoughts on the matter, there is nothing left to discuss, everyone got what they were willing to bargain for.

Good, I'm glad that's over!

Actually, I agree! We got what we deserved, and you got what you fought for. Congrats.

 

[ron burgundy]

it must be you.

I've never had anything but excellent service from our mechanics in atl. Call them in the air and they're waiting for you. Call them on the ground and they're in the cockpit in 5-10 minutes. 90% of the time there are zero mels.

Swa maintenance isn't exactly the shining beacon of reputation is it ....?

+1..+1..+1

 

[ron burgundy]

+1..+1..+1

=3...

 

[FIREMAN]

It must be you.

I've never had anything but excellent service from our mechanics in ATL. Call them in the air and they're waiting for you. Call them on the ground and they're in the cockpit in 5-10 minutes. 90% of the time there are zero MELs.

SWA maintenance isn't exactly the shining beacon of reputation is it ....?

Had an oversold flight in ATL with a seat MELed. The seat was working maintenance refused to come out to do RTS on it. Left an A+ elite at the gate and in ATL for the night.

 

[slaquer5]

The bizarre SWA logbooks are an excellent example; they're illogical, archaic, inefficient and lead to mistakes. The word from Flight Ops is that they can't be approved for ETOPS and will have to be changed back to the AirTran/standard format if they ever decide to venture to Hawaii. It took them so long to attempt ETOPS that they've given up for now. The market is ..... Occupied.

You left out that the log book is our new and improved

 

[dicko]

Had an oversold flight in ATL with a seat MELed. The seat was working maintenance refused to come out to do RTS on it. Left an A+ elite at the gate and in ATL for the night.

That's weird and that sucks. Must be the "Southwest effect". Have you ever called maintenance before and they've refused to show up ? Serious question, because I haven't.

My opinion regarding ATL maintenance is purely subjective. It's only based upon upon my experience in the past. Your opinion is just as valid obviously.

 

[scoreboardII]

Of course you defer everything till night shift maintenance...

Right... defer the ten minute navigation light change out of BWI until later..... unfortunately the other bulb burned out and low and behold no bulbs in Tampa..... unable to dx because night flight. Two hour delay, mis-connecting passengers, hotel rooms, compensation and round trip tickets.... all for the ten minute light bulb change.
Two out of three lavs mel's for days? Not good customer service. Arm rests taped together...APU inoperative for days.
I am not saying that our maintenance guys are not great.... they are not being allowed to put the aircraft into work by maintenance control. It is being orchestrated to further the efforts of the LUVBORG which is hard at work trying to screw over the Airtran personnel whether they are wearing a SWA uniform or AT uniform.
Pilots at Airtran do see the degradation of the fleet. I had a great aircraft yesterday with outstanding clothe seats (usually dilapidated and worn out.)

you are right, you have provided overwhelming evidence supporting your claim SwA is in business to screw over AT mechanics.

Do you also double as a French model?

 

[FIREMAN]

That's weird and that sucks. Must be the "Southwest effect". Have you ever called maintenance before and they've refused to show up ? Serious question, because I haven't.

My opinion regarding ATL maintenance is purely subjective. It's only based upon upon my experience in the past. Your opinion is just as valid obviously.

I have never had them refuse to clear a seat when it was a full flight. For them to not even come out was a first also.

 

[Just thinking]

Do you also double as a French model?

Fous le camp........