AA/US ISL question

[Carl S.]

As far as I know yes and positions have been up filled so cross breeding had occurred at DAL on the FO side. P.S.- what has Usapa won besides delay and lost wages of about $250k per East pilot?

 

[Jim]

what has Usapa won besides delay and lost wages of about $250k per East pilot?

Absolute contempt and scorn from the rest of the pilot industry.

 

[MCDU]

Military NFO. That about sums it up Jimmy. The scorn that was inept to get a flying spot.

M

 

[DCAA320]

Military NFO. That about sums it up Jimmy. The scorn that was inept to get a flying spot.

M

Stand by MCDU, jimbo is gonna tell you how he chose to be an NFO instead of an F-4 pilot, or something along those lines. The bulls******************** flag will go up.

 

[gearjockey]

Man, I thought this guy's problem was that he was just an ahaole. Now it turns out he's got a confidence problem. He!!, I guess I will have to cut him some slack and take him with a grain of salt. And, no I don't have any interest in living over there. Just visiting whenever seniority allows, company paid.

 

[Jim]

Military NFO. That about sums it up Jimmy. The scorn that was inept to get a flying spot.

M

Stand by MCDU, jimbo is gonna tell you how he chose to be an NFO instead of an F-4 pilot, or something along those lines. The bulls******************** flag will go up.

I never considered anything other than NFO because in 1983 when I joined the Navy you had to have uncorrected 20/20 vision to be a pilot. There were no waivers or eye operations. I wasn't even close.

Since retiring from the Navy, I have successfully made a career as an airline pilot to become a widebody Captain flying for a major airline.

My airline experience is at least the same as both of yours and my being a NFO vice a pilot while in the Navy is irrelevant.

MCDU - You show no military experience in your profile so you absolutely have no place knocking anyone's military occupation.

DCAA320 - In my time in the Navy, the student pilots with the lower grades/performance in flight training went helos. Enough said.

Unlike you two, I've gotten to my current position with my integrity intact and without stabbing my fellow pilots in the back.

 

[DCAA320]

In my time in the Navy, the student pilots with the lower grades/performance in flight training went helos. Enough said.

Like you said, in your time gramps, in a class of 30 sometimes only 2 get jets, the rest is a toss up, enough said mr uninformed. I am sure your pilots would have rather had gas than your bit(h ass.

Unlike you two, I've gotten to my current position with my integrity intact and without stabbing my fellow pilots in the back.

Poor little westicles, they deserve to come out east and be captains.

Previously you said:

If you go back and look at pilot selection rates back in the same time period (1983-84), you'll also find it was also a toss up between pilots wanting P-3s and pilots wanting jets (fighters). Equal numbers of top performers in flight school tried for both tracks.

Sure dude. nfo's always have the biggest mouths. Your eyes, right, any more excuses?

 

[Jim]

DCAA320 - The last quote about jets versus P-3s wasn't about my selection, it was about yours and the fact you were a helo guy. Instead of trying to twist my words around by a partial quote you should post the entire quote with its context. Of course that would once again require you to have a little integrity which we know you don't have.

I have never claimed to be a Navy pilot or ever said I wanted to be a Navy pilot. It was not an option for me so I never even considered it.

But whatever. I just have to remeber it's you I'm wasting time on. Everyone here but you USAPA idiots get it. Soon you'll get it too - when APA destroys your pathetic union and it's equally pathetic supporters.

Meanwhile have fun living your sorry existence built on the backs of honorable pilots. The rest of the industry knows the truth and will rejoice in your fall.

 

[DCAA320]

It's funny, kids and adults tell me they want to go fly helos, no one ever says I wanna be a nfo, keep trying. People go out and get helo ratings, stand by, let me go out and get my nfo rating, oh, I am doing that right now sitting on my arse. They make movies about helos, let me google search for that last nfo movie. You're trying to call me bottom of the class, you are not even in the class. Well that's enough of my time wasted on your dense ass.

 

[Superbird]

It's funny, kids and adults tell me they want to go fly helos, no one ever says I wanna be a nfo, keep trying. People go out and get helo ratings, stand by, let me go out and get my nfo rating, oh, I am doing that right now sitting on my arse. They make movies about helos, let me google search for that last nfo movie. You're trying to call me bottom of the class, you are not even in the class. Well that's enough of my time wasted on your dense ass.

You flew whirly birds? <Yawn> Were you in Blue Thunder or Air Wolf?

 

[DCAA320]

I bet that Cessna training was exciting and you know you watched Airwolf.

 

[Turtle21]

DCAA320 - The last quote about jets versus P-3s wasn't about my selection, it was about yours and the fact you were a helo guy. Instead of trying to twist my words around by a partial quote you should post the entire quote with its context. Of course that would once again require you to have a little integrity which we know you don't have.

I have never claimed to be a Navy pilot or ever said I wanted to be a Navy pilot. It was not an option for me so I never even considered it.

But whatever. I just have to remeber it's you I'm wasting time on. Everyone here but you USAPA idiots get it. Soon you'll get it too - when APA destroys your pathetic union and it's equally pathetic supporters.

Meanwhile have fun living your sorry existence built on the backs of honorable pilots. The rest of the industry knows the truth and will rejoice in your fall.

The rest of the industry didn't even bother to put in an app at America West, and everyone remembers exactly why they didn't. You may just have to console yourself with your self proclaimed integrity.

 

[wms]

Thanks!
PS - Not interested at all in East vs West vs AA drama because that mud slinging has just gotta end.

Glad none of that happened.

This thread went from sli to fences to east v west to usapa to Back- seaters v helos to everything but the topic. What a bunch of yo yos.

 

[Turtle21]

Glad none of that happened.

This thread went from sli to fences to east v west to usapa to Back- seaters v helos to everything but the topic. What a bunch of yo yos.

He started a thread with the words "seniority List Integration"... That's like tying three cats together by their tails and telling them all to enjoy the firework quietly, as you toss them into the dog pound.

 

[Jim]

The rest of the industry didn't even bother to put in an app at America West, and everyone remembers exactly why they didn't. You may just have to console yourself with your self proclaimed integrity.

Another falsehood, typical.

AWA a pretty tall stack of resumes according to the Assistant CP I knew and I personally knew a bunch of people getting hired there or trying too. I can prove it but since US Airways was on the verge of extinction, I'm sure AWA had many more applicants than US Airways.

 

[B6Driver]

Absolute contempt and scorn from the rest of the pilot industry.

Honestly, most others don't really care if they do not have a dog in that fight. Don't kid yourself.

 

[waveflyer]

Honestly, most others don't really care if they do not have a dog in that fight. Don't kid yourself.

Every pilot had a dog in the fight while the east flew under Loa 93 for a decade, and then for what- 6 years AFTER they had a much needed TA with big raises in 2007.
You are right SLI drama is always drama and it's each company's issue- but to take a stand on the worst major airline contract in history is deplorable.

 

[B6Driver]

You must just love to read your own posts. I don't follow what you're trying to say at the end of your last one?

 

[Dornier 335]

gourmandise

Another falsehood, typical.

AWA a pretty tall stack of resumes according to the Assistant CP I knew and I personally knew a bunch of people getting hired there or trying too. I can prove it but since US Airways was on the verge of extinction, I'm sure AWA had many more applicants than US Airways.

Same guy who hid pilots' ssn in an excel spreadsheet and who took a pic of the IRO in his seat sleeping without a tie (shock, horror) to get him two weeks off while non - revving to Europe?

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA's self destruction has had collateral effects throughout the industry. Every pilot that has tried to negotiate a contract in the past 10 years has suffered for the actions of a few angry and misguided and selfish F/O's and their accomplices.

What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[B6Driver]

USAPA's self destruction has had collateral effects throughout the industry. Every pilot that has tried to negotiate a contract in the past 10 years has suffered for the actions of a few angry and misguided and selfish F/O's and their accomplices.

What's so hard to understand about that?

This I agree with.

 

[DCAA320]

Every pilot had a dog in the fight while the east flew under Loa 93 for a decade, and then for what- 6 years AFTER they had a much needed TA with big raises in 2007.
You are right SLI drama is always drama and it's each company's issue- but to take a stand on the worst major airline contract in history is deplorable.

Hi Wave, can you email some of those early SWA contracts so we can do an average over the last 30 years? Thanks bud.

 

[Turtle21]

Hi Wave, can you email some of those early SWA contracts so we can do an average over the last 30 years? Thanks bud.

Ziiiiiing.

 

[Turtle21]

Pilots have been fighting, badmouthing others, and blowing their own horns since the Wright brothers and Samuel P. Langley had a rivalry going.

Nothing is gonna change with some whining on a web board.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hi Wave, can you email some of those early SWA contracts so we can do an average over the last 30 years? Thanks bud.

30 yrs??? Cleary and Bradford had you guys pegged as patsies that would believe anything you wanted to hear. Now you gotta go back 30 yrs to relive the good old days?

Nope the zing comes with the realization that the F/Os that they allowed to go off half cocked haven't been able to add ONE PENNY to the rates and lump sums that ALPA got you and which you were too stupid to manage resulting in LOA93. Now the APA has to be your patron to provide what USAPA never could.

If USAPA could have actually moved the ball an inch over the past 9 years, hey I would give them some credit. But we both know they refused to because they were inept and immature. The best they could provide (even with the complete absence of opposition inside the union - they had a juggernaut they could run as they pleased) is status quo on a bankruptcy contract and that's not worth 2.25%.

Any defense of this abject failure would be purely entertainment and I've had enough from you already, don't bother.

 

[waveflyer]

Hi Wave, can you email some of those early SWA contracts so we can do an average over the last 30 years? Thanks bud.

I won't be emailing you.
Swa is airline number 6 for me. I'd have been more than happy to retire at airline #3, but furloughs are a b/tch my man.
In any case, I don't feel bad for the millionaires that started the company. Their stock options paid off incredibly well.

Do you hold Parker to the same standard. I think his base salary is $500k. I'm pretty sure dougie isn't lowering the bar for CEO pay

That said, they are responsible for those contracts and you guys are responsible for yours. More egregiously, TURNING DOWN PAY RAISES THE INDUSTRY NEEDED, BC YOU REFUSE TO ABIDE BY BINDING ARBITRATION.


How's that for a zing?

 

[DCAA320]

30 yrs??? Cleary and Bradford had you guys pegged as patsies that would believe anything you wanted to hear. Now you gotta go back 30 yrs to relive the good old days?

Nope the zing comes with the realization that the F/Os that they allowed to go off half cocked haven't been able to add ONE PENNY to the rates and lump sums that ALPA got you and which you were too stupid to manage resulting in LOA93. Now the APA has to be your patron to provide what USAPA never could.

If USAPA could have actually moved the ball an inch over the past 9 years, hey I would give them some credit. But we both know they refused to because they were inept and immature. The best they could provide (even with the complete absence of opposition inside the union - they had a juggernaut they could run as they pleased) is status quo on a bankruptcy contract and that's not worth 2.25%.

Any defense of this abject failure would be purely entertainment and I've had enough from you already, don't bother.

I wasn't there but;


Check out those AW wages.


http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/...d Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL.htm

 

[ALGFLYR]

Nope the zing comes with the realization that the F/Os that they allowed to go off half cocked...

Of course hundreds of those FO's have recently upgraded to Captain positions with a lot more upgrades coming soon... the attrition train has just begun...

 

[johnnyb]

Every pilot had a dog in the fight while the east flew under Loa 93 for a decade, and then for what- 6 years AFTER they had a much needed TA with big raises in 2007.

You think America West rates + 3% is a big raise?

 

[Turtle21]

.. too stupid ..inept and immature. .. abject failure ..

Yeah, it took a West pilot to invent the scheme to sell $20 ties for $675, but it took USAPA to persuade West pilots to buy them. I don't care what anyone says, if you can provoke someone into paying $675 for a $20 tie, then by any measure, that is a success.