AA/US ISL question

[It will roll]

Question for anyone who has any ideas about what is likely to happen when we (hopefully) reach an ISL.

Since we hear nothing on the US side besides lawsuit briefs and legal mumbo jumbo from our "union," how likely is it that the ISL will be constructed without narrow body fences?

Specifically, I am PHL based and cannot wait to (hopefully) get down to MIA. Hopefully an ISL would not prohibit this, assuming I stay on group 2/3 aircraft. Thoughts?

It might be a bit early in the game for speculation, but I'd sure hate to see an ISL with domicile fences. Think we all expect A330/B777 fences.

Thanks!
PS - Not interested at all in East vs West vs AA drama because that mud slinging has just gotta end.

 

[145BOSS]

Not that this will carry over to the AA/US ISL, but both the DL/NW and CO/UA ISLs only had fences for certain wide bodies and for predetermined amounts of time. There was no narrowbody or base fences. If it goes to binding arbitration, one would have to assume a similar outcome based on precedence.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Question for anyone who has any ideas about what is likely to happen when we (hopefully) reach an ISL.

Since we hear nothing on the US side besides lawsuit briefs and legal mumbo jumbo from our "union," how likely is it that the ISL will be constructed without narrow body fences?

Specifically, I am PHL based and cannot wait to (hopefully) get down to MIA. Hopefully an ISL would not prohibit this, assuming I stay on group 2/3 aircraft. Thoughts?

It might be a bit early in the game for speculation, but I'd sure hate to see an ISL with domicile fences. Think we all expect A330/B777 fences.

Thanks!
PS - Not interested at all in East vs West vs AA drama because that mud slinging has just gotta end.

Obviously if this goes to arbitration (likely), it's really hard to tell what would happen. If I had to guess though, I would think the only fences would be on the widebodies and not base specific. Once the operations are combined, I'm sure the company wants the ability to put planes wherever they want. Perhaps they may want 787's in PHL and A-350's in DFW. Who knows... Base restrictions would make that harder, so I imagine it would be aircraft specific and probably only the widebodies... So there is my guess...

 

[Dornier 335]

There was also a rumor pre-DOJ's interference that some domiciles were to be double-crewed (ex. AA/US in PHL, MIA, DFW, CLT etc.). Not sure what happened to that idea...

 

[skywiz]

Question for anyone who has any ideas about what is likely to happen when we (hopefully) reach an ISL.

Since we hear nothing on the US side besides lawsuit briefs and legal mumbo jumbo from our "union," how likely is it that the ISL will be constructed without narrow body fences?

Specifically, I am PHL based and cannot wait to (hopefully) get down to MIA. Hopefully an ISL would not prohibit this, assuming I stay on group 2/3 aircraft. Thoughts?

It might be a bit early in the game for speculation, but I'd sure hate to see an ISL with domicile fences. Think we all expect A330/B777 fences.

Thanks!
PS - Not interested at all in East vs West vs AA drama because that mud slinging has just gotta end.

I'd be very surprised if there were narrow body fences. However I have heard rumors that APA both wants nb fences and doesn't want them. Who knows. Lifting fences does benefit AA bc the percentage of retirements is greater at US vs AA for the next few years.

 

[Carl S.]

We all wait for the NMB to rule and then APA will show their cards. The majority will get all they can within the DFR threshold. I think I already saw this movie in 2008.

 

[zawillif]

When is the contract expected to be done? Is this going to drag out like UAL?

 

[pave driver]

The SOC is scheduled to be completed by April 2015. As far as I know, a MOAB will occur next summer with no base or narrow body fences. We shall see if the New American will maintain the current US view that training is a fixed cost therefore allowing crews to move to the base and aircraft they so chose and can hold. So, I think you'll have a chance to move to the 73 in MIA next year.

 

[St. Nic]

And no Nic. Period. It is deader than dead.
West pilots will be feathered in with the third listers. you heard it here first

 

[IBNAV8R]

Don't forget, binding arbitration is not really binding if it doesn't go your way. As long as you have the majority on your side - oh wait . . .

 

[Wingman10]

As far as I know, a MOAB will occur next summer with no base or narrow body fences
Pave Driver


Where did you get this little nugget. I have not heard of that happening
at all let alone summer 2015.............?????

 

[LearLove]

When is the contract expected to be done? Is this going to drag out like UAL?

I'm thinking UAL is going to look like an overnight express delivery compared to the mess this train is headed for. Regardless of some timeline in the MTA.

 

[Turtle21]

Don't forget, binding arbitration is not really binding if it doesn't go your way. As long as you have the majority on your side - oh wait . . .

Bitching Incessantly is only Bitching Incessantly when the contract changes and you decide to continue bitching that you don't have the old contract. Carry on!

 

[Dan Roman]

Sorry, failed at cut and pasting on an iPad. I tried to paste an article about the USAir side of the merger not being happy, any way........USAPA has been, everyone agrees, dysfunctional to say the least. Because of USAPA, the USAir pilots have gone into this merger with one hand tied behind their back. Kind of sad what the long term legacy of USAPA will be.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I'll start. 1. They have shown that integrity and your word doesn't count if you don't get your way. 2. The ********************ty wages and workrules have hampered the ability of other pilot groups to make large improvements to their ch11 contracts.

Sorry, failed at cut and pasting on an iPad. I tried to paste an article about the USAir side of the merger not being happy, any way........USAPA has been, everyone agrees, dysfunctional to say the least. Because of USAPA, the USAir pilots have gone into this merger with one hand tied behind their back. Kind of sad what the long term legacy of USAPA will be.

 

[St. Nic]

I'll start. 1. They have shown that integrity and your word doesn't count if you don't get your way. 2. The ********************ty wages and workrules have hampered the ability of other pilot groups to make large improvements to their ch11 contracts.



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Spoken like a true westicle. Jeez you little girls wine a lot

 

[JetMonkey]

And no Nic. Period. It is deader than dead.
West pilots will be feathered in with the third listers. you heard it here first

What a coward. When the intergration comes, nicky the dicky here will vanish like a fart in the wind. You heard it here first.

 

[Carl S.]

Usapa should soon become a footnote in history for all that is wrong with organized labor and just another chapter in the sad careers of former East pilots who think the world owes them. The east/ west is still in play no matter what the village idiots say here.

 

[It will roll]

Can't we all just get along?
Nevermind..

 

[Bringupthebird]

Gee Dan, why are you concerned about their long term legacy? They aren't. Do you think Bernie Madoff or Frank Lorenzo worries about anything more than preserving the smug satisfaction of what they stole and the lives they ruined? Steve Bradford and Mike Cleary are no different nor are the 3500 enablers that helped them.