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Captzaahlie

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Big $$$ coming our way... Genny and Scoot bout to get jelly!!!!
 

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Bye Bye----General Lee
 

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Geez, based upon this thread of continuous inane comments, it seems flightinfo.com has so little information of value anymore. Might as well watch Jerry Springer, it's classier.
 

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Geez, based upon this thread of continuous inane comments, it seems flightinfo.com has so little information of value anymore. Might as well watch Jerry Springer, it's classier.

Put the arrogant pr!ck General Lee on your ignore list and it's tolerable.
 

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Does anyone remember when profit sharing was a concession?

As a matter of fact I do. There was a time when the notion was widely ridiculed. Research industry profits between 1990 (when the train started to go backwards) and 2010 (when it started going forward again). Most thought the idea was crazy. Industry never makes a dime and you want to give me what....?

Lets be honest, till a few years ago we'd gladly have traded profit-sharing for a 3% raise.
 

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Ironically AWA required employee stock purchase when it started up in order to make employees feel more a part of the airline. Oh, and also to get back some of what it paid them in wages. So while they were more than happy to have "loss-sharing" they now seem less enthusiastic with profit sharing.
 

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In my mind profit sharing is risky and a way airline management plays employees for fools. Have we forgotten the decades of year over year losses? Is it not too difficult to show a loss through various accounting principles and the fluctuating price of oil? We are professionals whose careers are at stake every time we head off to work, visit the doctor, or observe a blip in the economy or the latest terrorist attack. We should be compensated appropriately up front just as any doctor, accountant, plumber, electrician, whatever. I make roughly what I made in 2001, and that is unacceptable. Leave the glorious bonuses for the executives (they'll get them one way or the other). We need the compensation now to pay the bills.
 

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In my mind profit sharing is risky and a way airline management plays employees for fools. Have we forgotten the decades of year over year losses? Is it not too difficult to show a loss through various accounting principles and the fluctuating price of oil? We are professionals whose careers are at stake every time we head off to work, visit the doctor, or observe a blip in the economy or the latest terrorist attack. We should be compensated appropriately up front just as any doctor, accountant, plumber, electrician, whatever. I make roughly what I made in 2001, and that is unacceptable. Leave the glorious bonuses for the executives (they'll get them one way or the other). We need the compensation now to pay the bills.


If pilots "need a pay raise to pay the bills", then they need a class on personal finance.

Yes we should be paid more for what we do. RJ pilots even more so.

We also should not work three calendar days for 10 F-ing hours of pay. We shouldn't work 12-14 hours in a day and get paid 5.

We should not have ever agreed to fly 187 pax planes for 737 pay.... On and on and on we have paid for our own "raises" and now work 20+ days a month as a block holder.

This job sucks, but it pays damn good, and it's easy as eating pie, 20+ days a month. I'm sick of pie.
 

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If pilots "need a pay raise to pay the bills", then they need a class on personal finance.

This job sucks, but it pays damn good, and it's easy as eating pie, 20+ days a month. I'm sick of pie.

Please stay far away from the negotiating table.

You have so much to learn about this profession. The rest of the industry is sick of paying your tuition.
 

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If pilots "need a pay raise to pay the bills", then they need a class on personal finance.

Yes we should be paid more for what we do. RJ pilots even more so.

We also should not work three calendar days for 10 F-ing hours of pay. We shouldn't work 12-14 hours in a day and get paid 5.

We should not have ever agreed to fly 187 pax planes for 737 pay.... On and on and on we have paid for our own "raises" and now work 20+ days a month as a block holder.

This job sucks, but it pays damn good, and it's easy as eating pie, 20+ days a month. I'm sick of pie.


Your parents basement still seems to rock for ya.
 

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Here is a little youtube video from Roger Pollack, a labor lawyer from Bredhoff Kaiser, a DC labor law firm. He is addressing a meeting of the APFA and discussing the limits of arbitration over their contractual terms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yUuAygwIPs
 

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So how do you argue his logic, unless of course after the arbitration you change the name of the union, ignore the arbitration and spend 6 years defending the old lower pay scale...
 

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Please stay far away from the negotiating table.

You have so much to learn about this profession. The rest of the industry is sick of paying your tuition.

Thank you for paying my legal bills.. To nulify the Nic. Happy Hollidays!
 

Bringupthebird

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Thank Bradford for the millions he cost you suckers who fell for his fool's errand. Say what you want about the east; you may be stupid, but you're predictable.

Enjoy the turkey the APA bought you. And the stuffin' you're about to get from the arb.
 
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