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this guy was flat out busted using a second user name to respond to himself. Ya he is really honest
 
Sshrae,

Remember, you can't have an unpopular opinion or perspective on F.I. That's a rule!!!!!! Personally, I find it a bit refreshing that people have different views. With that said, pilots are very territorial and they attach their egos to their jobs. That's too bad. Lies about an employer should not be accepted - they should be refuted but not in an overly defensive/aggressive manner IMHO.

Personally, I think Avantair would be a great place to work. That P180 looks like a fun airplane to fly. Having a spouse who works and makes decent money certainly would make the first few years' salary a bit more palatable...

I agree with that statement. Dual incomes are very much needed nowadays - especially when one person works in an aviation-related business. Why put so much pressure on you and your family when relying solely on a pilot income (especially when starting with a new company at a low pay grade)? Dual incomes are a necessity.
 
Its a breath of fresh air to see experienced crew defend their company on FI. Seems to be the exception. Good thread!
 
The big Avantair conference call is scheduled for today. All pilots were encouraged to participate. Let's hope they are announcing that they are going to immediately start paying their 2nd year FO's $50,000 like they deserve. We can only hope!
 
FO pay is being looked at right now. The company realizes that the non-upgrade issue at this time merits some kind of increase for FO's second year pay, and the Pilot's Advisory Committee is working on it. Again, who else in the aviation industry is discussing a pay raise right now? Not even the almighty NJ! (that brass ring is pretty awesome, though!)

What a self-absorbed ego-"mainiac" I must be, quoting myself!
but...
Conference call Thursday for some exciting news regarding pay increase. huh, go figure?

Again, who else in the industry is discussing a pay raise right now?

anyone? anyone? bueller...bueller....
 
The big Avantair conference call is scheduled for today. All pilots were encouraged to participate. Let's hope they are announcing that they are going to immediately start paying their 2nd year FO's $50,000 like they deserve. We can only hope!

I think you are just setting our company up for further bashing. We all know, including you, that a raise to 50K for second year FOs is not going to happen. Give it abreak already. You didn't like it here so you left. Everyone is happy.

For anyone that is interested, the quarterly financial conference call is today, after the close of the markets.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAIR.OB

http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/4/104284.html
 
I haven't posted in a long time, but when I heard about mr. b's rant I had to check it out. I must say that his post is everything that the other Avantair pilots say it is.

BTDI came in the door at Avantair last year and didn't impress anyone with his rants on the company forums. He made sure his reputation as a chronic complainer preceeded him. Thankfully, I never flew with him but I've met him and wasn't impressed. Not a personal attack - just my observation.

Anyway, I've been here about 4 years and I haven't seen the numerous problems that he's experienced in just one year here. Here's my experience having been here 4 times as long as the thread starter.

I've never had a problem with the sick policy. When I'm sick, I call in and use my sick time. I also have been allowed to return mid-tour. Yes, if you are out for more than 3 days you have to get a doctors note - that's standard procedure at many companies so I'm not sure what the issue is with that.

I've never been charged for a crew meal, but then again I wasn't one of the pilots who was abusing the crew meal system to begin with. Crew meals are rather expensive ($40 to 75 each on the average) and we were asked to chip in $10 for a crew meal. Remember per diem? That's there to cover your expenses such as MEALS while on tour. As soon as the new policy went into effect the abuse of the crew meals stopped.

If I have a maintenance issue, yes, I've gotten phone calls by the powers that be to see what the issue is and see if I can possibly defer the item and continue. But if I say the plane is grounded, it's grounded and I have never been pressured to fly a plane that was unairworthy.

You complain about FO cell phone usage. Avantair gives FO's $25 each month toward the use of their cell phones. Unless someone has a horrible cell plan, the FO's are making a few extra bucks on that deal.

The FO flying policy, well, it is what it is. About 45% of the flights are empty and FO's are flying them. Once FO's reach 225 hours, they are allowed to fly live legs so that means FO's are now flying the other 5% of the flights that the captains once were flying. If you're captains weren't letting you fly live legs after a year, then maybe the problem isn't the captains or the policy.

Yes, when you were hired, FO's were upgrading at around the one year mark. It would not be cost effective to continue to upgrade FO's when the need for captains is not there. You seem to have a sense of entitlement to the fourth stripe and when you didn't get it you left. The economy changed and we had to adjust many things along with it, including our upgrades. To hold the company negatively responsible for that seems just a little selfish, don't you think?

Avantair has been a great place to work for me. Perfect? No, but it's getting better every day as reflected in our latest financials which were released today. It seems that it is mutually beneficial that you left Avantair, BTDI. You are obviously happier and we are better off for it.

I've heard what your new job is and I wish you the best of luck in your career progression. I'm just sorry you felt the need to sling mud as you walked out the door - not surprised, just sorry.
 
Just thought I would add.....

Avantair just posted its first Quarterly profit ever! In this economic climate I think that says a lot.

6 more airplanes this year!

I think I smell upgrades and hiring in our future!

For anyone who thinks that Avantair is not a pilot friendly company does not know that they are talking about. After three MAJOR life changing events in the past year I am %100 positive that Avantair is a great place to work!! Not only have they worked with me but they have been suportive and care about ME! Im not just a number.
 
I can second cello. I recently had a major event. Training and the schedule were altered to acomodate me. The chief pilot's office and the training department went far above and beyond what I expected, and I am grateful. That would not have happened at my previous employer. No one is suggesting that Avantair is perfect. It sure is better than most companies, though. Given the currrent financial climate, I just cannot imagine what this guy has to complain about. Oh well, he's moved on to what he considers greener pastures, and I am one step further up the seniority list, so I guess we both win.

Wacoflyr
 
It certainly helps that you guys have a great product from an economics standpoint. Performance is great over short and medium distance flights vs. comparably-sized (and even some bigger) jets. Some owners are trading down from other fractional programs and yet not compromising much on comfort in many cases. The P180 is an undeniable hit with customers and that is very helpful...
 
Ya'll think the Piaggio is cool? Wait till this comes out...

(FI won't allow the pic here so click the LINK.)


PHOTO LINK
 
Yeah, it's an artist rendition of the Piaggio Jet. I hear it's supposed to be in production soon and the rumor mill has it that we will be the launch customer for it. We'll see, however the number I've heard for it are quite impressive. Although it's often the case that numbers for planes that don't exist yet are often amazing and then get ratcheted back once the real thing takes off.
 
not pertinent to this thread but whats with the Avantair captain that wears a tan ball cap while waiting for passengers in the FBO?
 
not pertinent to this thread but whats with the Avantair captain that wears a tan ball cap while waiting for passengers in the FBO?

Yeaaaahhhhh... that one's been debated on the company boards. Guess that can of worms is getting opened up again. My personal opinion on hats......

*This is the sound of me keeping my mouth shut...... *
 

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