747 Splits in Two on T/O

[b707guy]

Let's say you're at V1 with the yoke or stick in your lap and the nosewheel doesn't leave the runway.

Whoops, meant to say "VR", of course. Couldn't edit it!

 

[countbat]

I know Connie got from the insurance a new engine to replace the one lost in Michigan Lake. But also I heard he secretly sent a scuba divers team to recover the lost engine. What IF that engine was on the BRU's 747 bird?

 

[hkgorbust]

I know Connie got from the insurance a new engine to replace the one lost in Michigan Lake. But also I heard he secretly sent a scuba divers team to recover the lost engine. What IF that engine was on the BRU's 747 bird?

Dude . . . like when are you going to lighten up on Connie? You are once again mal-informed and show how your distaste for Kalitta can make you appear to be more ignorant than you may actually be.
The engine was recovered, although it wasn't in the clandestine manner in which you describe.
The recovery was made by a marine salvage company and was the result of a joint effort, and shared expense, between Kalitta Air and the NTSB. Both parties were present for the search and recovery.
The engine was disassembled, and, you may find this as odd, but the fault was attributed to factors beyond Kalitta's control. The report is available.

 

[embpic1]

No matter what, after V1 the ship goes into the air. Successfully aborts after V1 are rare and the crew is lucky that the fuel tanks were not compromised (thanks Boeing) or they would be TOAST.

Umm.. no

We train for an engine out at V1. After V1 with an engine out or on fire, we continue. There are many things things that can happen to an airplane at or past V1 that would be catastrophic if continued. For instance, #2 comes apart and takes out #1 with it. You are not going to make it to Vr before the end of the runway. Hell, I bet you would lose directional control and begin to drift off of the runway. Vmcg at V1 is only guaranteed with one outboard engine out. If you are losing directional control after V1 you have to reject. If you hork it into the air you will vmc the thing into the ground.

 

[embpic1]

I know Connie got from the insurance a new engine to replace the one lost in Michigan Lake. But also I heard he secretly sent a scuba divers team to recover the lost engine. What IF that engine was on the BRU's 747 bird?

OK! You are really starting to piss me off with your misinformation.

The engine was recovered by a salvage crew because the NTSB wanted to see it. I have personally seen the engine, and trust me when I say it, or any part of it, will never fly again.

This is probably just bait (which I took), but seriously, just go back into your cave.

 

[CWI]

Count Bat is nothing but a Flame Bait hero.

Posts nothing constructive and it's all garbage.

With a bit of research before posting you would know that they were two different models of PW JT-9 engines. Aircraft 704 had JT-9Q's the engine in the lake was either an A or a J.

Back to you cave CB and this time stay there.

CWI

 

[ERJFO]

- 2 sec after the bang, thrust was reduced to idle - no reverse thrust commanded - vigourous braking started and maintained until final stop
No TR....we all make mistakes...hope this isn't true....

Who knows what they saw, could have lost the indications for #1 and #2 and thought using two revereses would pull them off the runway. Maybe they got a fire bell... We don't know, it's all speculation.

 

[727C47]

Hey Connie Boys I think you all are a class act, watched one of your 747s boom out of JFK last night at 0 dark 30, a clean looking machine,and one of the few classic 747s still earning a living,the truth will all come out ,I don't know why everyone has to monday morning QB this to death,sorry about the thread creep,but this former DC3,Piston Convair,freightdog salutes you,Godspeed,keep those big Boeings flying !

 

[dutch747]

I don't know why everyone has to monday morning QB this to death,

I haven't seen any post here starting with: "They should have", This would be Monday morning QB.

But this is a FORUM after all. And thats what you do on a Forum, you discuss things, and just because you do not like what someone else's post says doesn't make them flamebait or unprofessional or stupid or anything. Read the forum rules.

The "UNPROFESSIONAL" one really is weak and my personal favorite. According to some people, if you post something negative about a company or someone you are suddenly UNPROFESSIONAL??? What on gods green earth has my opinion on the internet with my identity hidden have to do with my JOB??

Totally off subject but had to vent that one. Back to 747 and CK...

 

[727C47]

hey lighten up there dutchy old boy, no one is threatening to take away your God given right to speculate, my post is strictly my opinion, Cheers !

 

[Redmeat]

Umm.. no

We train for an engine out at V1. After V1 with an engine out or on fire, we continue. There are many things things that can happen to an airplane at or past V1 that would be catastrophic if continued. For instance, #2 comes apart and takes out #1 with it. You are not going to make it to Vr before the end of the runway. Hell, I bet you would lose directional control and begin to drift off of the runway. Vmcg at V1 is only guaranteed with one outboard engine out. If you are losing directional control after V1 you have to reject. If you hork it into the air you will vmc the thing into the ground.

Did you read my entire post or do you have reading comprehension problems?

avbug, were you crew? You must have been the way you're arguing.

Only one thing should have stopped that AC from going airborne after V1, and that is multiple engine failure which is about as likely as getting struck by lightning.

No matter what, after V1 the ship goes into the air. Successfully aborts after V1 are rare and the crew is lucky that the fuel tanks were not compromised (thanks Boeing) or they would be TOAST.

 

[OrionFE]

Hey Connie Boys I think you all are a class act, watched one of your 747s boom out of JFK last night at 0 dark 30, a clean looking machine,and one of the few classic 747s still earning a living,the truth will all come out ,I don't know why everyone has to monday morning QB this to death,sorry about the thread creep,but this former DC3,Piston Convair,freightdog salutes you,Godspeed,keep those big Boeings flying !

Best thing I have read so far! Thank you!

 

[embpic1]

Did you read my entire post or do you have reading comprehension problems?

Funny. You contradicted yourself in your own post. I quoted the part of your post I disagreed with.

avbug, were you crew? You must have been the way you're arguing.

Only one thing should have stopped that AC from going airborne after V1, and that is multiple engine failure which is about as likely as getting struck by lightning.

And then you contradict yourself and said in that same post.

No matter what, after V1 the ship goes into the air. Successfully aborts after V1 are rare and the crew is lucky that the fuel tanks were not compromised (thanks Boeing) or they would be TOAST.

 

[Redmeat]

Funny. You contradicted yourself in your own post. I quoted the part of your post I disagreed with.



And then you contradict yourself and said in that same post.

What I state in my post is exactly what I mean.

At or after V1 the crew is to assume the AC will fly and act accordingly. High speed RTO's are almost always more disastrous than following procedure and continuing.

I stated that the only thing that WOULD keep it from flying would be multiple engine failure. Multiple engine failures on TO are extremely rare. At or after V1 is not the time to start interpreting the problem and try to decide if you should break procedure and give a high speed abort a try with no numbers to give you any inkling of the outcome.

If the preliminary reports are correct, someone just destroyed a good AC that had one engine compressor stalling and could have and should have made an uneventful TO.

 

[OrionFE]

What I state in my post is exactly what I mean.

At or after V1 the crew is to assume the AC will fly and act accordingly. High speed RTO's are almost always more disastrous than following procedure and continuing.

I stated that the only thing that WOULD keep it from flying would be multiple engine failure. Multiple engine failures on TO are extremely rare. At or after V1 is not the time to start interpreting the problem and try to decide if you should break procedure and give a high speed abort a try with no numbers to give you any inkling of the outcome.

If the preliminary reports are correct, someone just destroyed a good AC that had one engine compressor stalling and could have and should have made an uneventful TO.

Thank God we have the NTSB to do our investigations and not the experts on this forum (but it is pretty intertaining at times). Until you have been a part of one, it is not always as it seems. BTW, the Brussels NTSB is one man! Our NTSB, who was invited to assist, has not finished yet!