2013 L-CAL System Bid Out

[BID]

What, your mec can't figure out our what our hourly rate was and do the math. Is that really your arguement???? So your little snide google search comment has no traction.

We blocked it because it's private information. Some guys, for differenmt reasons, work more or less and THAT is nobody's business but their own.
Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Yes it was a real act of desperation on behalf of the CAL MEC.

You say desperation of a move, I say awesome move! That pretty much is my argument.

It's actually a pretty common move. I am certainly not an expert but that is what I was told.

So, looks like both committees are doing their job.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Might not look so bad to them compared CALs dragging negotiations on to facilitate more bids, demanding banding 767 and 787 with the 747 and LOA25. Hardly comparable.

Or maybe they were trying to get us a good contract, again, I fail to understand how you view everything as a conspiracy against the ual side... Your mec was negotiating on your behalf and I never heard one thing about the cal side trying to drag anything out until now... NO PILOT wanted it to take this long, only mgmt benefited from keeping both sides working under their previous cbas

 

[ChrisJT6]

Or maybe they were trying to get us a good contract, again, I fail to understand how you view everything as a conspiracy against the ual side... Your mec was negotiating on your behalf and I never heard one thing about the cal side trying to drag anything out until now... NO PILOT wanted it to take this long, only mgmt benefited from keeping both sides working under their previous cbas

Pan back to last spring when UAL MEC asked to be released and your MECs initial reaction was "what I think negotiations are going well"...despite very little was happening...I didn't make up our recent history. If you don't try and understand both sides you will continue to not understand.

 

[nimtz]

As a past participle it is bred not breed and had already corrected it before your post oh literary genius.

I'll take spelling over character as a weakness.

Well I'm still being 'educated' by scabs based on FI rhetoric so it's all in the present. My experience with UAL character is that SCOPE is for sale. Hope that changes. Guys like you are going to make the next 25 years more miserable then they need be.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Pan back to last spring when UAL MEC asked to be released and your MECs initial reaction was "what I think negotiations are going well"...despite very little was happening...I didn't make up our recent history. If you don't try and understand both sides you will continue to not understand.

I agree and was 110% ready to walk after the vote, but what we heard from our side was that was a unilateral attempt by the ual mec and made them look terrible in front of the mediator and the company as well... The two mec were supposed to be working together... It seems your buying everything your side is selling without question... Both sides were posing different stories of what happened and I bet somewhere in the middle lies the true story, just seems to me funny how the bottom portion of the ual side was put under the sword and suffered after ual mec decided to sell out scope yet they continue to believe all they are told and think ual is the best thing since sliced bread, esp after all they were put thru by their mec and companies past
I'm not happy with our union after they failed to get us the cornerstones they campaigned on, but have yet to hear any ual pilot put any blame on their side, they somehow think our mec is always to blame.... I guess they are all powerful and we can expect to make out like bandits on the sli then?!!

 

[ChrisJT6]

Well I'm still being 'educated' by scabs based on FI rhetoric so it's all in the present. My experience with UAL character is that SCOPE is for sale. Hope that changes. Guys like you are going to make the next 25 years more miserable then they need be.

I don't use that word since it is against the CAL way and I am trying to fit in, but okay if you say say it. 50 seat Scope died over a year ago with your code and isn't viable anyway but the tough rant must make you feel good.
Naw...you just stay under your rock and you'll survive the integration.

 

[ChrisJT6]

I agree and was 110% ready to walk after the vote, but what we heard from our side was that was a unilateral attempt by the ual mec and made them look terrible in front of the mediator and the company as well... The two mec were supposed to be working together... It seems your buying everything your side is selling without question... Both sides were posing different stories of what happened and I bet somewhere in the middle lies the true story, just seems to me funny how the bottom portion of the ual side was put under the sword and suffered after ual mec decided to sell out scope yet they continue to believe all they are told and think ual is the best thing since sliced bread, esp after all they were put thru by their mec and companies past
I'm not happy with our union after they failed to get us the cornerstones they campaigned on, but have yet to hear any ual pilot put any blame on their side, they somehow think our mec is always to blame.... I guess they are all powerful and we can expect to make out like bandits on the sli then?!!

I assure you there is serious animosity between UAL furloughees and the UAL MEC.

The NMB no doubt got a good reason from UAL MEC for its unilateral request for release...not a fan of management moles!

 

[chppr5]

I agree and was 110% ready to walk after the vote, but what we heard from our side was that was a unilateral attempt by the ual mec and made them look terrible in front of the mediator and the company as well... The two mec were supposed to be working together... It seems your buying everything your side is selling without question... Both sides were posing different stories of what happened and I bet somewhere in the middle lies the true story, just seems to me funny how the bottom portion of the ual side was put under the sword and suffered after ual mec decided to sell out scope yet they continue to believe all they are told and think ual is the best thing since sliced bread, esp after all they were put thru by their mec and companies past
I'm not happy with our union after they failed to get us the cornerstones they campaigned on, but have yet to hear any ual pilot put any blame on their side, they somehow think our mec is always to blame.... I guess they are all powerful and we can expect to make out like bandits on the sli then?!!

Working together?? GMAFB!
- JP not signing the same agreement that DAL/NWA MC's signed to not use the
JCBA to influence the SLI.
- Holding negotiations hostage till we agreed to pay banding.
- Not backing the UALMEC's complaint that the integration training wasn't
sufficient when 80% of the changes were on the UAL side.
- Going behind our back to secure profit sharing that diluted the UAL share.
- Backing out of a verbal agreement that Retro was indeed retro and not a
Signing bonus.
- LOA 25

Pleas list the times Heppner back stabbed JP.

Please, list the underhanded things Heppner

 

[AirMike]

Also, your scope section became worthless the day the CO code ceased. Nonetheless, any legacy carrier attempting to compete in today's legacy market with a 50 seat scope limit is destined for demise. The UPA closed your Q400 loop hole as well. Your welcome.

I don't have a dog in this fight but it appears the new United contract closed the 100 seat regional jet loophole as well. As I recall, Air Wisconsin was flying 100 seat Bac jets for years as United Express.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Working together?? GMAFB!
- JP not signing the same agreement that DAL/NWA MC's signed to not use the
JCBA to influence the SLI.
- Holding negotiations hostage till we agreed to pay banding.
- Not backing the UALMEC's complaint that the integration training wasn't
sufficient when 80% of the changes were on the UAL side.
- Going behind our back to secure profit sharing that diluted the UAL share.
- Backing out of a verbal agreement that Retro was indeed retro and not a
Signing bonus.
- LOA 25

Pleas list the times Heppner back stabbed JP.

Please, list the underhanded things Heppner

In my post I said they were supposed to be working together, I never said they were, but continue to believe everything your side tells you as gospel, I could care less
I know for a fact the profit sharing thing is bs, that works on a %, it doesn't matter how many groups are in the pool, each employee group gets whatever % they have negotiated... That being said, I was very disappointed when they gave up a grievance to get us in ps I was looking forward to the chaos that would have ensued on our side when we were half of the group responsible for a profit and would have been left out... Another thing... We never heard anything from your side trying to get us ps... Screw the cal side, we just want ours!! You think that was unnoticed? Whatever tho, again I could care less, the fact is the mecs are still seperate and duty bound to represent their own pilot groups... But if anything doesn't go the way of ual, it's always the fault of the all powerful jp and cal mec!! Never blame or question your own spotless reps, even the ones who came in the middle of negotiations!!

 

[taxicabdriver]

And I don't care about hep because he isn't my rep, he is yours... If you think jp is getting away with all of that you should elect someone who can stand up to the evil jp and all his shannigans... Again just baffles me how everything can be blamed on jp and the cal mec, must be some aweful good koolaid your mec passes out!

 

[chppr5]

In my post I said they were supposed to be working together, I never said they were, but continue to believe everything your side tells you as gospel, I could care less
I know for a fact the profit sharing thing is bs, that works on a %, it doesn't matter how many groups are in the pool, each employee group gets whatever % they have negotiated... That being said, I was very disappointed when they gave up a grievance to get us in ps I was looking forward to the chaos that would have ensued on our side when we were half of the group responsible for a profit and would have been left out... Another thing... We never heard anything from your side trying to get us ps... Screw the cal side, we just want ours!! You think that was unnoticed? Whatever tho, again I could care less, the fact is the mecs are still seperate and duty bound to represent their own pilot groups... But if anything doesn't go the way of ual, it's always the fault of the all powerful jp and cal mec!! Never blame or question your own spotless reps, even the ones who came in the middle of negotiations!!

The PS was BS? We received 6% for 2010 and 5% for 2011 even though we made 300M more in 2011. You do the math. The results of the grievance should put that to rest. I never said our MEC was blameless for this contract but your management shill MC did everything possible to slow walk the negotiations. BTW, you never stated what our MEC did to disadvantage the CAL group.

 

[ChrisJT6]

And I don't care about hep because he isn't my rep, he is yours... If you think jp is getting away with all of that you should elect someone who can stand up to the evil jp and all his shannigans... Again just baffles me how everything can be blamed on jp and the cal mec, must be some aweful good koolaid your mec passes out!

Well you just described exactly what we did. We did elect a new MEC and they did what they had to do to ensure your MEC is OVER! SOON!

 

[taxicabdriver]

The PS was BS? We received 6% for 2010 and 5% for 2011 even though we made 300M more in 2011. You do the math. The results of the grievance should put that to rest. I never said our MEC was blameless for this contract but your management shill MC did everything possible to slow walk the negotiations. BTW, you never stated what our MEC did to disadvantage the CAL group.

I never said because I simply don't care, I see nothing good about getting in arguments over what our two mecs have done to screw the other side over
What good could come of it? Is it going to help unify us? I'm just a line pilot anyway, I usually don't post on here, but I don't like our mec always being blame for everything... I don't like jp and if I had a vote it would be for someone else, but our local reps get to decide that not us, that being said he is in charge of representing the cal pilots, not the ual side and I think it's distasteful always hearing the ual side complaining about him... I've never read much of our side bashing hep...
I asked our local reps about the ps as well as your previous mec vp, had him on the jumpseat from fll on his way back to 74 training... Forgot his name... But everyone told me the same thing on ps, that it wouldn't come at the expense of ual pilots...

 

[taxicabdriver]

Well you just described exactly what we did. We did elect a new MEC and they did what they had to do to ensure your MEC is OVER! SOON!

I thought you were at cal?

 

[ChrisJT6]

I thought you were at cal?

UAL MEC represents UAL furloughees for the SLI process which is at the deep core of all the problems but you know that don't you. Are you one of the guys that says we have no career expectations as we are furloughed?

 

[taxicabdriver]

UAL MEC represents UAL furloughees for the SLI process which is at the deep core of all the problems but you know that don't you. Are you one of the guys that says we have no career expectations as we are furloughed?

No but what do you care what anyone says anyway? My opinion or that of any other pilot doesnt mean squat..The arbitrator is all that matters... You just sound pretty arrogant and ungrateful for the job that the cal mec gave to you by signing the tpa, and your working under a cal negotiated contract, and if anything would happen you would be represented by cal pilots.... But I'm glad YOU elected a new ual mec to ensure OUR cal mec would disappear!!

 

[ChrisJT6]

No but what do you care what anyone says anyway? My opinion or that of any other pilot doesnt mean squat..The arbitrator is all that matters... You just sound pretty arrogant and ungrateful for the job that the cal mec gave to you by signing the tpa, and your working under a cal negotiated contract, and if anything would happen you would be represented by cal pilots.... But I'm glad YOU elected a new ual mec to ensure OUR cal mec would disappear!!

I, yes I voted for a contract for the soul purpose of getting rid of the CAL MEC ASAP. Familiar with the TPA but United airlines can hire anyone they want from any source without CAL MECs approval. CAL MEC didn't give me jack and who is on their high horse...sorry I don't value CALs C02. If anything would happen I would take a recall. Of course I seem arrogant to a frustrated soul short on grey matter.
Apparently you don't understand the purpose of debate and forums.

 

[nimtz]

I, yes I voted for a contract for the soul purpose of getting rid of the CAL MEC ASAP. Familiar with the TPA but United airlines can hire anyone they want from any source without CAL MECs approval. CAL MEC didn't give me jack and who is on their high horse...sorry I don't value CALs C02. If anything would happen I would take a recall. Of course I seem arrogant to a frustrated soul short on grey matter.
Apparently you don't understand the purpose of debate and forums.

Well it's hard to tell through the ego, but it appears you voted for this current contract. Deny it as you like, but your YES vote lead to the approval of LOA 25 Section 4. And you somehow think you hold the high ground on character!

By the way a Scab is a Scab. Never once faced a discipline problem for using the word. Sorry you turned chicken sh!t based on rumors. Most UAL furloughees at CAL aren't like that.

 

[eaglesview]

Actually your pilots have gone to long lengths to explain that you cannot just do that simple math with a mature contract such as United's. The CAL MC just wanted to be educated since just looking at payrates was deemed not an accurate method of comparing compensation. Remember?

You'll have to explain to me how as far as w2's go hourly compensation X hours worked per month X 12 does not = compensation. Was the CAL MEC looking for work rules on the W2's?? I knew they were confused but...........