2013 L-CAL System Bid Out

[nimtz]

Holding CAL MEC to the TPA that they agreed to is conspiring with the CEO? Can't understand why you want want to taken another ALPA pilot groups flying in an illegal(against the TPA for LAX 756) or unfair manner...oh, I almost forgot who bread and mentored you, I remember now.

I prefer garlic followed by sourdough and if all else fails sourdough with my airline food. But you already knew that. Bread vs breed, there is a difference. At least you knew how to fill out the scantron.

 

[ChrisJT6]

I prefer garlic followed by sourdough and if all else fails sourdough with my airline food. But you already knew that. Bread vs breed, there is a difference. At least you knew how to fill out the scantron.

As a past participle it is bred not breed and had already corrected it before your post oh literary genius.

I'll take spelling over character as a weakness.

 

[BID]

That request was a joke. Any common Joe with internet access could find the payrates. It was nothing but a desperate attempt by CAL to try and gain an edge in the ISL because they know they need one. An embarrassing moment for the CAL foks.

The goal was W2s, pretty sure a Goggle search would not of worked.

So why did your union reps attempt to block this request? Especially if it was such a joke?

 

[taxicabdriver]

I don't expect you to thank then UAL crews for the highest paying contract you've ever had but I guarantee the UAL crews are extremely happy about ending CAL MEC...good luck to you VJMg. BTW, it was in both of our previous contracts...we just didn't embrace it like you with crews on furlough! Why would you do that....oh, yeah I almost forgot who bred and mentored you.

That type of one way behavior gets the rest of us pretty fired up or emotional

Can we also thank you for continuing to allow reserve days to be rolled, this new "airport reserve" wich only our fa's do, completly gutting our scope section, and the joke they call retro pay? Thank you nancies for this wonderful contract!!!

 

[ChrisJT6]

Can we also thank you for continuing to allow reserve days to be rolled, this new "airport reserve" wich only our fa's do, completly gutting our scope section, and the joke they call retro pay? Thank you nancies for this wonderful contract!!!

Dragging the contract negotiations out to facilitate more vacancy bids in a pipe dream of manipulating the SLI and then whining about retro...that is a joke! When all parties knew this to be true including the NMB, It is ridiculous that you think you would be able to get more retro following a self induced/serving delay. Again the contract sucks for all but none of it combined was worth trading the ending of your MEC! Sorry you don't get to continue your version of status quo. If you are into math, it is likely >45% of CAL pilots also voted for the UPA. Oh yeah, at least I never voted in a contract with blank pages and then beat my fake no vote chest for a decade! Ballsy move!

 

[ChrisJT6]

Can we also thank you for continuing to allow reserve days to be rolled, this new "airport reserve" wich only our fa's do, completly gutting our scope section, and the joke they call retro pay? Thank you nancies for this wonderful contract!!!

Also, your scope section became worthless the day the CO code ceased. Nonetheless, any legacy carrier attempting to compete in today's legacy market with a 50 seat scope limit is destined for demise. The UPA closed your Q400 loop hole as well. Your welcome.

 

[ChrisJT6]

The goal was W2s, pretty sure a Goggle search would not of worked.

So why did your union reps attempt to block this request? Especially if it was such a joke?

Are you saying we should share our private financial information with a group hell bent on doing us SLI harm?

Why doesn't your MEC just let the chips fall with arbitration? Why are they taking so many manipulating actions that frankly look desperate.

 

[densoo]

The RJ flying went up a whopping 1.3% (max contractually allowed)....only difference is when the entire UAL 737 fleet was parked at the same time as the virtual merger with CAL those RJs started flying into IAH and EWR. Try again.

"UAL MEC update: There have been some recent vacancy bids and with retirements and furlough recalls, more can be expected. We have had stagnation for the last 10 years..."

Stagnant since 2003, well before any 737s were parked. CAL was hiring in 2005.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Dragging the contract negotiations out to facilitate more vacancy bids in a pipe dream of manipulating the SLI and then whining about retro...that is a joke! When all parties knew this to be true including the NMB, It is ridiculous that you think you would be able to get more retro following a self induced/serving delay. Again the contract sucks for all but none of it combined was worth trading the ending of your MEC! Sorry you don't get to continue your version of status quo. If you are into math, it is likely >45% of CAL pilots also voted for the UPA. Oh yeah, at least I never voted in a contract with blank pages and then beat my fake no vote chest for

You think I liked waiting that long for a contract? And then get sold this lump of poo?? I just don't get how you think everything is some big conspiracy bent at the demise of the ual pilots, should we assume the same about y'all? Your 737s were parked at an attempt to alter the sli!! I knew it!!

 

[tie1on]

remember cal pilots are taking the captain seat from ual pilots for the last 10 -12 years.

 

[BID]

Are you saying we should share our private financial information with a group hell bent on doing us SLI harm?

Why doesn't your MEC just let the chips fall with arbitration? Why are they taking so many manipulating actions that frankly look desperate.

I view it as a prudent and smart move. Your MEC thought it was smart, otherwise why try to block it?

Desperate, well, that's your opinion. To me, our merger committee seems confident, and not at all desperate.

Look, I never wanted this merger to happen, I could of been a captain years ago, unfortunately, we had to downsize for this merger.

 

[eaglesview]

The goal was W2s, pretty sure a Goggle search would not of worked.

So why did your union reps attempt to block this request? Especially if it was such a joke?

What, your mec can't figure out our what our hourly rate was and do the math. Is that really your arguement???? So your little snide google search comment has no traction.

We blocked it because it's private information. Some guys, for differenmt reasons, work more or less and THAT is nobody's business but their own.
Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Yes it was a real act of desperation on behalf of the CAL MEC.

 

[IAHERJ]

Actually your pilots have gone to long lengths to explain that you cannot just do that simple math with a mature contract such as United's. The CAL MC just wanted to be educated since just looking at payrates was deemed not an accurate method of comparing compensation. Remember?

 

[Chairman]

Actually your pilots have gone to long lengths to explain that you cannot just do that simple math with a mature contract such as United's. The CAL MC just wanted to be educated since just looking at payrates was deemed not an accurate method of comparing compensation. Remember?

Guess that's like Captains picking up time in the right seat with guys on the street. Not an accurate picture either

 

[RT8VA]

Hey at least you guys at UAL kept your cafeteria in the training center, just had one of your furloughs bragging about how much better that is then ours. Funny thing is the furlough forgot that they could afford the cafeteria because you had furloughs not getting paid. I hope the food choices were great.

 

[RT8VA]

I am going to leave this thread because no ones opinion but the arbitrators matter but both sides have done what they can to show a good seniority picture because that is their job, there is a lot of precedence for how things are considered and three professional arbitrators are going to pound it out so we can all read it. If it is fair it sucks for every one, there is nothing about combining two airlines that is going to make every one happy so good luck hope we don't argue about fairness for the next 25 years.

 

[IAHERJ]

Guess that's like Captains picking up time in the right seat with guys on the street. Not an accurate picture either[/


Different discussion but good point.

 

[Captain X]

Yes it was a real act of desperation on behalf of the CAL MEC.

It is a normal request between most merger committees.

 

[Captain X]

That request was a joke. Any common Joe with internet access could find the payrates. It was nothing but a desperate attempt by CAL to try and gain an edge in the ISL because they know they need one. An embarrassing moment for the CAL foks.

Actually not. It's exactly what I would expect from a merger committee that was representing me or anyone else. The fact that disclosure was fought so hard will not go unnoticed by the Arbitrator(s).

 

[ChrisJT6]

Actually not. It's exactly what I would expect from a merger committee that was representing me or anyone else. The fact that disclosure was fought so hard will not go unnoticed by the Arbitrator(s).

Might not look so bad to them compared CALs dragging negotiations on to facilitate more bids, demanding banding 767 and 787 with the 747 and LOA25. Hardly comparable.