10/250

[brokeflyer]

thats why 250k is MINIMUM acceptable salary. Not being greedy, just realistic.

If they thought they were something special out of the ordinary they would ask for 10/500

 

[msculley6905]

Why are you bothering with him? He obviously doesn't understand what we do, he's obviously paid to be here to spread FUD, and he's obviously a management stooge.

Wrong...just a schedulng stooge that doesn't know how things work

 

[gret]

thats why 250k is MINIMUM acceptable salary. Not being greedy, just realistic.

If they thought they were something special out of the ordinary they would ask for 10/500

Really sad...merely perpetuates the point

 

[gunfyter]

Nurses and teachers contribute more to mankind, are better educated, earn less, and don’t strut around telling everyone how great they are….like a NFL wide receiver or the very small minority of pilots who have self esteem problems and give real airmen and airwomen a bad name.

Make as much money as you can, but don’t be foolish enough to think that you should be paid as if you are something special…you're not...if you were…you would be doing something else.

Don't make me pull out Adam Smith on the Wages of Labor ....

"... To excel in any profession, in which but few arrive at mediocrity, it is the most decisive mark of what is called genius, or superior talents. The public admiration which attends upon such distinguished abilities makes always a part of their reward; a greater or smaller, in proportion as it is higher or lower in degree. It makes a considerable part of that reward in the profession of physic; a still greater, perhaps, in that of law; in poetry and philosophy it makes almost the whole."

Smith, Adam The Wealth of Nations

I know few pilots who could not go to school and succeed as a Nurse or Teacher. The success rate would be near 100% ...

The reverse is not true. Regardless of the benefits to society of each profession.

We are something special. Its called "the right stuff".

 

[gunfyter]

10 / $2 million

Secondly, the wages of labour vary with the easiness and cheapness, or the difficulty and expense, of learning the business. When any expensive machine is erected, the extraordinary work to be performed by it before it is worn out, it must be expected, will replace the capital laid out upon it, with at least the ordinary profits. A man educated at the expense of much labour and time to any of those employments which require extraordinary dexterity and skill, may be compared to one of those expensive machines. The work which he learns to perform, it must be expected, over and above the usual wages of common labour, will replace to him the whole expense of his education, with at least the ordinary profits of an equally valuable capital. It must do this too in a reasonable time, regard being had to the very uncertain duration of human life, in the same manner as to the more certain duration of the machine.

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The difference between the wages of skilled labour and those of common labour, is founded upon this principle.

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Education in the ingenious arts, and in the liberal professions, is still more tedious and expensive. The pecuniary recompence, therefore, of painters and sculptors, of lawyers and physicians, ought to be much more liberal; and it is so accordingly.

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Fourthly, the wages of labour vary according to the small or great trust which must be reposed in the workmen. The wages of goldsmiths and jewellers are everywhere superior to those of many other workmen, not only of equal, but of much superior ingenuity, on account of the precious materials with which they are entrusted. We trust our health to the physician, our fortune, and sometimes our life and reputation, to the lawyer and attorney. Such confidence could not safely be reposed in people of a very mean or low condition. Their reward must be such, therefore, as may give them that rank in the society which so important a trust requires. The long time and the great expense which must be laid out in their education, when combined with this circumstance, necessarily enhance still further the price of their labour.

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When a person employs only his own stock in trade, there is no trust; and the credit which he may get from other people, depends, not upon the nature of the trade, but upon their opinion of his fortune, probity and prudence. The different rates of profit, therefore, in the different branches of trade, cannot arise from the different degrees of trust reposed in the traders.

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Fifthly, the wages of labour in different employments vary according to the probability or improbability of success in them. The probability that any particular person shall ever be qualified for the employments to which he is educated, is very different in different occupations. In the greatest part of mechanic trades success is almost certain; but very uncertain in the liberal professions. Put your son apprentice to a shoemaker, there is little doubt of his learning to make a pair of shoes; but send him to study the law, it as at least twenty to one if he ever makes such proficiency as will enable him to live by the business. In a perfectly fair lottery, those who draw the prizes ought to gain all that is lost by those who draw the blanks. In a profession, where twenty fail for one that succeeds, that one ought to gain all that should have been gained by the unsuccessful twenty. The counsellor at law, who, perhaps, at near forty years of age, begins to make something by his profession, ought to receive the retribution, not only of his own so tedious and expensive education, but of that of more than twenty others, who are never likely to make any thing by it. How extravagant soever the fees of counsellors at law may sometimes appear, their real retribution is never equal to this. Compute, in any particular place, what is likely to be annually gained, and what is likely to be annually spent, by all the different workmen in any common trade, such as that of shoemakers or weavers, and you will find that the former sum will generally exceed the latter. But make the same computation with regard to all the counsellors and students of law, in all the different Inns of Court, and you will find that their annual gains bear but a very small proportion to their annual expense, even though you rate the former as high, and the latter as low, as can well be done. The lottery of the law, therefore, is very far from being a perfectly fair lottery; and that as well as many other liberal and honourable professions, is, in point of pecuniary gain, evidently under-recompensed.

Smith, Adam The Wealth of Nations

The probability of success in teaching and nursing is very HIGH relative to aviation. The cost of entering the profession are FAR greater. Not only the expense of training but the expense of living on slave wages getting the 1500 or 2500 hours of experience needed to be hired by Fractionals or Airlines.

We bring more CAPITAL to the table than most other professions.

We take MORE Financial Risk... Anyday I make a mistake can be the end of my career... and the loss of Everything I invested in my life...

It is Far from a fair lottery in Smith's terms, and we are on the crappy end of the stick .... We need to recover as much of the money invested by those who didn't succeed in this business as possible to even the score.

10 / $2 million :beer:

 

[Praetorian]

Make as much money as you can, but don’t be foolish enough to think that you should be paid as if you are something special…you're not...if you were…you would be doing something else.

Notice how it has now started referring to us in the second person.

Must have finally given up on all pretense.

 

[gunfyter]

Notice how it has now started referring to us in the second person.

Must have finally given up on all pretense.

I did notice that but I gotta admit he really hurt my feelings saying we aren't special ...:bawling:

 

[727C47]

we are so very special !!!

 

[brokeflyer]

10 / $2 million :beer:

i dont know what it is, but suddenly this ^ guy is making a lotta sense.

 

[727C47]

gret,get over yourself,we are each called to our own path, for some its the classroom, for some the operating theater,for we happy few its the sky road, and little man who are you to judge another's contribution,great or small to the common good. It is all good, whether you are swinging a briefcase, a flight bag, or a stethoscope, it takes everybody, everyone to make this blue rock go round.