10/250

[Blueridgeflyer]

Cool. So that means I can call you and have my airline show/go changed to a time that actually gets me home when the sun is still up when I'm in East Godknowswhere with NO JET and NO CREW and yet my airline isn't until 5 PM local? Awesome.

Scheduling is a mess and we ALL know it. Your department wastes more money and screws more owners by noon than ANY pilot does in a year.

Why blame scheduling? They are just trying to extract more with less under the direction of the EMT. Look this entire organization will continue to suffer until WB and BRK have reason to uninstall JH and decouple from his predecessor's business model. The pilots are the only group with enough leverage to serve as a catalyst for this necessary change. I truly empathize with the rank and file employees at Bridgeway many of whom are beginning to become aware of managements failings. Anyone that loves Netjets should be on the same page regarding this reality.

 

[msculley6905]

Why blame scheduling? They are just trying to extract more with less under the direction of the EMT. Look this entire organization will continue to suffer until WB and BRK have reason to uninstall JH and decouple from his predecessor's business model. The pilots are the only group with enough leverage to serve as a catalyst for this necessary change. I truly empathize with the rank and file employees at Bridgeway many of whom are beginning to become aware of managements failings. Anyone that loves Netjets should be on the same page regarding this reality.

This. We are ALL trying to do more with less. The instances of "waste",though not wasteful in its reasoning like everyone thinks is happening is a direct result of it.

 

[msculley6905]

Cool. So that means I can call you and have my airline show/go changed to a time that actually gets me home when the sun is still up when I'm in East Godknowswhere with NO JET and NO CREW and yet my airline isn't until 5 PM local? Awesome.

Scheduling is a mess and we ALL know it. Your department wastes more money and screws more owners by noon than ANY pilot does in a year.

Did you ask about it? Odds are the travel request was made by the line builder program and, wrongly on our part, went unaddressed. If you truly had no tail and no crew I doubt you did because it would have been fixed...

.....or you could dummy ticket...no tail and no crew is almost always an automatic yes if you take the time to ask....but complaining about it is easier.

 

[gunfyter]

Take one for the team... 5pm flight was $10 cheaper.

I never ask for anything.

"SILENCE! THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ ALREADY KNOWS YOUR REQUESTS"

:angryfire

or was that the great giant head?

 

[gunfyter]

Skilled negotiators manage expectations prior to and during a negotiation. Some managers do this instinctively. For example, in the month prior to salary negotiations with employees, managers may broadcast the message that this has been a difficult year for the company. After having their expectations lowered, some employees may be satisfied to receive even a small cost-of-living raise.

http://www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/con...-expectations/

Sound familiar?

Now is 10/250 a callout passing 10,000 feet? Or a RAISING of expectations?

:crying:

Callout
POSITIVE RATE
Response:
WHEELS UP? LOL

In light of recent industry news ...We thought 10/250 was a better response to Positive Rate

 

[gutshotdraw]

Did you ask about it? Odds are the travel request was made by the line builder program and, wrongly on our part, went unaddressed. If you truly had no tail and no crew I doubt you did because it would have been fixed...

.....or you could dummy ticket...no tail and no crew is almost always an automatic yes if you take the time to ask....but complaining about it is easier.

Ask? Are you kidding? That's the fastest way to ASSURE you get screwed worse. Been there, done that. My goal every tour is to NEVER call. For anything. My QOL on the road IMPROVED when I stopped calling.

Look, I know Bridgeway is under the gun from the Ivory Tower as much as we are. But scheduling has ALWAYS been the leak in the boat even before Jordy waltzed in the door. It's become a fact of life that I have learned to deal with and my mantra is: expect the worst, hope for the best. That way I'm never disappointed. Just please don't ask me to call when the people on your end of the phone have neither the time nor the inclination to fix it. Not ripping you. Just my experience.

 

[rajflyboy]

you have to have a will to be in the game if you want to win the game

the group as a whole wants to be in the game. the group needs to select appropriate leadership to coach it through the game for the win

 

[rajflyboy]

Need Strong Leadership Group to Do Well in this World!

 

[rajflyboy]

criquets

 

[T-1GUY]

Is that French for crickets?

 

[gret]

Ahhh...that explains it. I thought he just misspelled "croquet" and I didn't have time to get a match in.

 

[rajflyboy]

Is that French for crickets?

Actually I was thinking Croatia

that would be a great place for some of the people that need to move on

 

[Hogprint]

It certainly is good to see the Trolls out once again... and under different monikers these days.

Just like old times.

It is amazing how every time we enter Sec 6/IBB, a new CMH employee shows up with a peep behind the green curtain to quell all fears of the pilots.

The names do change but the company message stays the same.

My prediction is the tone will go from helpful to contentious as negotiations heat up.

 

[gret]

It is amazing how every time we enter Sec 6/IBB, a new CMH employee shows up with a peep behind the green curtain to quell all fears of the pilots.

The names do change but the company message stays the same.

My prediction is the tone will go from helpful to contentious as negotiations heat up.

Geez...would you expect anything else...

Keeps life interesting, scares the living daylights out of a few, costs everyone a lot of money, and keeps bar bills high!

 

[OPECJet]

You absolutely insinuated the pilots use out fatigue provisions to manipulate the schedule. That was not my experience before the furlough, and it doesn't jive with what I'm hearing from my friends who remain. Bottom line. If a pilot is pulling the fatigue card, 9 times out of 10 you, or someone in a similar position blew the schedule.

If you are actually a management stooge (or one of the stooges silently reading) can you support your family on Ohio unemployment after Hogwarts runs NJA off the rails? What are your job prospects after helping blow apart the world's largest fractional provider? Think it might be time to do your part to get Harry Potter booted out on his ass, replaced with someone who will reach an equitable agreement with the labor groups to cement your own employment with a growing company That moat Uncle Warren refers to is getting awful damn narrow.

 

[CA1900]

You absolutely insinuated the pilots use out fatigue provisions to manipulate the schedule. That was not my experience before the furlough, and it doesn't jive with what I'm hearing from my friends who remain.

That's been my experience since I got here. We use the fatigue provisions to keep an unsafe schedule from endangering us. Simple as that. There are occasionally other issues, like a bad hotel, but 95% of my fatigue calls are generated by a schedule that doesn't take human factors into account.

Since our scheduling department doesn't incorporate the science behind circadian rhythms, I use tools like Jeppesen's CrewAlert, which does. (There's a free lite version as well.)

 

[Hogprint]

Geez...would you expect anything else...

Keeps life interesting, scares the living daylights out of a few, costs everyone a lot of money, and keeps bar bills high!

Actually, I would expect something else...

Trotting out the same tired playbook that was used eight years ago ( and arguably didn't work then), using the same tired arguments that have proven to bear no fruit, and now another "in the know" worker bee who comes in like a lamb but will crescendo like a lion before leaving like a lamb again as his predecessors did to never grace the forum again.

Did I miss anything?

You'd of thought they'd have learned from past mistakes. At least try a different approach this go around. That would keep it interesting. We've seen this movie before.

 

[msculley6905]

That's been my experience since I got here. We use the fatigue provisions to keep an unsafe schedule from endangering us. Simple as that. There are occasionally other issues, like a bad hotel, but 95% of my fatigue calls are generated by a schedule that doesn't take human factors into account.

Since our scheduling department doesn't incorporate the science behind circadian rhythms, I use tools like Jeppesen's CrewAlert, which does. (There's a free lite version as well.)

While keeping the body's clock on the same schedule can be imporant, the need to cover more flights with less assets prohibits that from being something we can do with any sort of regularity. Anyways, plenty of fatigue calls occur that show it's not aways a matter of being too tired for safe flight (fatigue on last day after 15 hrs rest night before, fatigue on evening spares multiple days in a row, etc), but it's never questioned, things get fixed, we move on. This is one of many reasons for big gaps in time from show to go times, or staying onFBO duty after arriving...you know, anything that some of you deem as wasteful/punative scheduling/pilot hating/term of the week.

 

[msculley6905]

It is amazing how every time we enter Sec 6/IBB, a new CMH employee shows up with a peep behind the green curtain to quell all fears of the pilots.

The names do change but the company message stays the same.

My prediction is the tone will go from helpful to contentious as negotiations heat up.

If this is refrence to me, i assue you I couldn't care less about the negotiations, other that both pilot and company get it done to something mutually beneficial. If it doesnt, there's no pilots for me to schedule, and you can figure out the rest from there.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

While keeping the body's clock on the same schedule can be imporant, the need to cover more flights with less assets prohibits that from being something we can do with any sort of regularity. Anyways, plenty of fatigue calls occur that show it's not aways a matter of being too tired for safe flight (fatigue on last day after 15 hrs rest night before, fatigue on evening spares multiple days in a row, etc), but it's never questioned, things get fixed, we move on. This is one of many reasons for big gaps in time from show to go times, or staying onFBO duty after arriving...you know, anything that some of you deem as wasteful/punative scheduling/pilot hating/term of the week.

Here's an idea: recall the 495 furloughed pilots. Problem solved.